Bard in the party... thoughts?

Support dps doesn't mean u re more support than dps, it just meant that you re a dps class with good support skills, because Brd support is too great so it make sense to balance the class out, you can't have a class that has AMAZING DPS and AMAZING UTILITY at a same time, if that apply to brd ull see more than 3 brd in every raid group. Every class has a pro and a con with it, none of them is *perfect* I would say.

I don't think people walk away from brd, it still the fact that BRD still hold the most player based in all servers while MCH is the least that enough said BRD is still a lot fun to play compare to MCH. I seen plenty of Brd that re more than welcome into Alex savage, why? Because it's NOT the class, it's the player that knows how to play the class well.

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You seem pretty resistant to bard being buffed so it is equal to mch, why is that?

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I'm with Rice on how close BRD\MCH is on damage currently. As for utility it comes down to the encounter. It appears that for now all the jobs are pretty balanced and it is merely the layout of the encounter that could change the effectiveness of the job over another.
i.e. Midas has a ton of single target. It really favours a melee comp + MCH.

@Jilliebeans

''Brd support is too great''... No heavy, no stun.

MCH has better DPS, he got a stun, he got a slow, he got a 10% Vulnerability (Like said previously I'm pretty sure the damage buff in the end is on par with normal group comp) and I would also argue with you about Bard 15% DPS vs MCH turret auto-attack for which class loses the most DPS when he restores mana / TP.
Doesn't matter how well you can play your class, Bard kit is not adapted for Midan Savage, this is why 75% of statics are searching for MCH only, hell I've been a Bard Main ever since I started playing this game a year and a half ago and I'm currently working on MCH because it's going to make everyones job so much easier on A6S and I'm not even interested in MCH, it just feels like it's a need at this point.
People need to stop drooling at foe requiem and look at the rest of the kit.

Why would u expect BRD to have the same kit as MCH? They re 2 diff class, the only thing they have in common re they both restore mp/tp, They re both useful for their own kit.

Did you forget brd also has cross class with Lancer and puglist which mean u can take *feint* for extra slow and *mantra* for extra healing boost which is extremely useful. Maybe Midan doesn't favor brd right now but brd is still welcome as long you know what you doing. As for statics that wanted a MCH it's their opinions, I seen many statics welcome to take BRD too.

Foe requiem is a WONDERFUL skill it just the game doesnt have enough magic dps class right now to make it more useful and honestly in the end if you don't like the class then it's best for you to switch to another, there re still a lot of players out there that like Brd alot (again they hold the most player based in the game for a *reason*).

I can also argue with you that with a magic group comp brd is more useful because foe can last for atleast 30s with only HALF mana being used (it could last up to almost 1 whole minute if you drain your mana empty) while turret only last for 10-20s plus with battle voice foe increase by 20% so brd gain so much dmg for any magical class in party, again it's all about group composition and the game doesn't have many magical dps class yet to make it more useful.

Honestly if you're not going for world first savage clears, does it really matter in the long run?
Sure, Bard could maybe use a DPS buff (I don't...really think so, not right now), but is there such a discrepancy between MCH and BRD that it's impossible to clear savage with a BRD?

...no

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*feint* for extra slow

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Slow is just for cast speed, heavy is for speed movement reduction.

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again they hold the most player based in the game

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Where did you get this info?

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Originally Posted by Jilliebeans

while turret only last for 10-20s

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Hypercharge buff has 20 seconds duration, but Physical/Magic Vulnerability is up for ~29 seconds.

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Slow is just for cast speed, heavy is for speed movement reduction.

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yes i know, am just pointing out what BRD kits are, like i mentioned their kits are "good" to support their group.

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Where did you get this info?

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easy, do a search on every specific class, it will tell you which class has more players

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Hypercharge buff has 20 seconds duration, [B]but Physical/Magic Vulnerability is up for ~29 seconds.

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ehhh i KNOW about 20s duration but i am NOT sure about physical/magic vulnerability? am assuming you mean increase magic/physical dmg taken? if that the case its only last for 10s with HYPERCHARGE up according to this Wikia, even if it does last for 30s FOE still last a bit longer +BV which is better for magicals while mch is better for physicals.

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easy, do a search on every specific class, it will tell you which class has more players

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Where? lodestone (does not work for this, lodestone shows 1000 results max)? ingame (no sense)?

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ehhh i KNOW about 20s duration but i am NOT sure about physical/magic vulnerability? am assuming you mean increase magic/physical dmg taken? if that the case its only last for 10s with HYPERCHARGE up according to this Wikia, even if it does last for 30s FOE still last a bit longer +BV which is better for magicals while mch is better for physicals.

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Hypercharge last for 20 seconds, its a buff on your current turret, and every attack of your turret will apply a Physical (Rook) or Magical (Bishop) vulnerability for 10 seconds on the target refreshing the effect with every attack (Bishop turret does AoE attacks and apply the debuff to multiple targets), making this debuff duration around 29 or 30 seconds.

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Where? lodestone (does not work for this, lodestone shows 1000 results max)? ingame (no sense)?

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u dont base on lodestone lol, you just get on the server and do ur research on the server and if you feel like it search on every servers and compare. inside game pretty much tell you which class has the most player base.

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Hypercharge last for 20 seconds, its a buff on your current turret, and every attack of your turret will apply a Physical (Rook) or Magical (Bishop) vulnerability for 10 seconds on the target refreshing the effect with every attack (Bishop turret does AoE attacks and apply the debuff to multiple targets), making this debuff duration around 29 or 30 seconds.

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yeah just learned about that through a friend but still i believe foe last longer and more powerful with BV so it works better with magic comps.

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u dont base on lodestone lol, you just get on the server and do ur research on the server and if you feel like it search on every servers and compare. inside game pretty much tell you which class has the most player base.

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That means nothing...you should not write things like "BRD is the most popular job" if you are using a very bad way to check it...tbh it's a pretty stupid way to check what is the most popular job...

Dont talk trash if you don't have solid proofs.

I think you aren't right here, just using a bit more solid proofs like:
http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/Eorze...N_Census_L.PNG

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