Ninja: Heaven-Sword (And Beyond)

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

True but the question is will it be higher then 630 which you can hit with food or higher since I can only base it on normal Alex there isn't a time where you are forced to hit the front of anything other then adds. which I can't remember if adds in fights can have less acc requirements or not.

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Interesting, so how are the legs ACC classified in A4 ? Since it counts as back,side,front for attacks. On the point of adds and acc requirements I think they require the same acc as boss. I remember missing on adds in A1S when I was sitting around I think 569 acc. I could be wrong tho, was many weeks ago.

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Originally Posted by Aiurily

there doesn't need to be any need to hit from the front for a4s though; don't think omnidirectional targets have ever had specific accuracy reqs either

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So you think we shouldnt have to worry about a Acc cap for the 3 adds that spawn?

So Ii am really trying to be good with Ninja and I am using the Firana rotation from page 7 but I have a 135ms latency. With that in mind, should I open my rotation with pre pull Suiton? Should I always double weave Kassastsu with Trick Attack at the opener? Why or why not?

The flank acc cap for A1S is 570iirc. And when you are attacking your add, you are most likely hitting it from the front. Which would require greater acc.

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Originally Posted by Manu-Kesna

Should I always double weave Kassastsu with Trick Attack at the opener? Why or why not?

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Double weaving allows you to get all your oGCDs in Trick Attack and it also gives you a buffer for trick attacks application.

Yeah I know but I asked because most openers in here has Kassastsu and Trick Attack separate and not together so I thought there was a really good reason for it

Hey, I would love to know what opener/rotation you are using :)

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Originally Posted by Aiurily

there doesn't need to be any need to hit from the front for a4s though; don't think omnidirectional targets have ever had specific accuracy reqs either

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In T12 blackfires seemed to be higher than flank.

Here's a question.

I'm not a ninja-centric player. I'm grinding for my zodiac (i want the glamour).

My rotation is:

MU -> DE -> SF or sacrifice 1 tick of SF for AC.

I do MU first because it lasts for a long time and wouldn't matter much for small mobs. I only do DE first if it's a boss or some very tough mobs.

The problem is when I keep using this rotation, I'm using less and less of AE, our main heavy damage. If I want to use it, either MU is going down, or Huton is going down or SF is going down. So, I had to sacrifice AE for any of the above.

I changed my rotation so I wouldn't keep SF up except for long-lasting mobs. This would get 1 AE in the rotation after DE or AC and still keep MU up.

My question is does this lower my DPS? I sacrifice SF (except for bosses/tough mobs) for AE, or only after applying it once.

Another thing. On 3+ mobs, do I either

a) Katon and Kassatsu the Doton or
b) Doton and Kassatsu the Katon.

I'm using A because obviously the Doton crits for higher each tick but I wouldn't know if B is better.

The Mudra lag is a lot worse for me, so casting Raiton seem to take a GCD while Suiton/Doton takes up as much as a GCD and a half. I have to keep still, and cast one-one-one instead of two-one. In open world, I can cast two-one no problem but in dungeons, it doesn't work and i'm left without knowing which ninjutsu I just popped, messing my rotation.

In this case, is it better to just Fuma instead of Raiton? It would be better because it would definitely get me back that missing GCD but the damage of the mudra is lower... Is this a DPS loss or increase? Assume that no DE is up and no Kiss.

That is all. Thank you.

Hrm...
You are giving MU too much credit, do not use it on trash if they are dying already too fast for SF... MU ticks are weaker than SF's, not to mention the initial damage.

I personally, on normal trash when going one by one, go SF » DE » AE/AC
If they also die too fast for SF as your opener, just forget about DoTs...

Leaving AE out of the rotation is something natural for the NIN atm, you might find the chances coming up by reflex and naturally as you play NIN. Can't be helped since its value is so low. Don't get demotivated, chances actually come often enough.

For 3+ mobs... (A) is the way to go, but if they also will not last long just double Katon (if you want), even with your lag it is a DPS gain.

As a fellow laggy NIN that will never become Hokage: Yes, Fuma > Raiton in this case, so long you are on melee range. If you are on melee range: Fuma; if you are outside melee range: Raiton.

I've never got the pleasure of having a BRD sing Foes when I am parsing stuff so I dunno about the gain/loss there...

Anyone else think its stupid that trick attack's debuff fails if we miss the positional or is it just me.