oh hey blm's, you can't fit thundercloud in due to enochian timers, so guess what, we'll buff thundercloud and thunder's potency but you still can't use it. Please enjoy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hallena
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07-21-2015, 05:15 PMHaroldSaxon
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07-21-2015, 05:20 PMGarashSqueenix pls, how does that fixes anything lolQuote:
Hmm, BLMs aren't casting Thunder anymore because they don't have time to fit it in enochian... Better buff it's potency!
Reminder:
A Fire IV 280 * 1.8 = 504 potency
Is still higher than a T3 proc plus it's dot (390+320) = 710
Oh. Maybe we're meant to swap a F4 cast for a T3 proc and not feel bad about it?
EDIT: Blargh, it's late and I'm confused, my logic must be flawed somewhere, a T3 proc plus it's proc back then would have been (340+280) = 620 -
07-21-2015, 05:23 PMBambam
Man...I was really hoping they would've extended the astral/umbral stacks, like 2 or 3 seconds longer.
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07-21-2015, 05:26 PMOmegaStrongtan
hmmm thinking hard about switching to SMN as my main class...
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07-21-2015, 05:27 PMhallenaWell thats dumb because in the live letter yoshi said he want thunder to interact with enochianQuote:
Originally Posted by OneWingedSora
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07-21-2015, 05:31 PMOneWingedSoraMy guess is he wanted Thundercloud to be a viable alternative to Fire IV in case you need to move and swiftcast is down.Quote:
Originally Posted by hallena
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07-21-2015, 05:36 PMhallenaWell then that make it an unreliable band aid fix. 10% is still low and more often than not you wont have a thundercloud waiting for when you have to moveQuote:
Originally Posted by OneWingedSora
Not sure what to think of this, but as you said, we'll see when the server goes live -
07-21-2015, 05:51 PMXisin
I think it's a good change. Thunderclouds have and always granted us mobility (mobility check.) the potency was increased so its more on par with fire 4 if the ACTIVE dot is about to wear off (potency issues vs fire 4 check.) And DOUBLE the proc chance? I'll take it. Also enochian change will make floor 3 less of a headache because on that floor I actually do get ahead of the enochian cast curve occasionally.
With tclouds procing at double the rate + it's potency being more in line with fire 4 our mobility just went through the roof, you may have to exit fire earlier now but i dont think it's that bad. -
07-21-2015, 06:05 PMSleigh
Well, the math says, Thundercloud is now worth 780 potency that scales higher with SS higher than F4, so it's certainly stronger than F4 now. The only thing about it is the opportunity cost, IE it won't necessarily be worth dropping a F4 for a Thundercloud because you will often want to use Thunder as filler for MP ticks (if, say, you can only do Thundercloud or F4 as your last move in a rotation, F4 will take precedence because you've got half the Thundercloud damage coming more than 50% of the time anyway). I'm looking at this change as a raw DPS upgrade for now without trying it, our odds of using a very strong Thundercloud as our filler in UI (and yes, we always have this capability, even if it's after B4) just shot way up. Using it in place of F4 in AF, I don't believe that is the intent unfortunately, the stipulations on using it are still going to be high in a F4 F4 F1 F4 F4 rotation except specific rotations and timings but we'll see.
I'm not a fan of this, it feels even more ghetto than 2.3's buffs because we really didn't need DPS boosts instead of mobility QoL this time around, but it's something. The prospect of filler being very strong is appealing to me though. -
07-21-2015, 06:11 PMAishaNymph
The total potency of a TC T3 is 745.5 [(320+70+320)*1.05] , beats AF3 F4's 529.2 potency
Swap out a F4 in in favour of TC will be a dps gain when the thunder DOT has little to no clipping
Still wish they would make thunder extends enochain by ~3sec instead but I can live without that