Easiest dps right now

MNK is mabey not the hardest to play but they arent as easy. the optimal rotation need lot of practice and testing to be confortable with it. most fight have lot of downtime so you need to think about how you could manage (if possible) to keep your gl 3 up.you need to watch your 2 DOT(3 if using fracture) and keep them up without cliping it. you need to watch for the debuff to be applyed all the time and your twin snake buff. monk have many OGCD also and since we have the fastest attack speed,doing the full rotation and weaving those OGCD in between need to be done quickly. with the implantation of chakra and stance change, you also need to think when you can use them and wich one so even in downtime or between fight, you have something to do. dont forget about all the positioning skill (2 flank, 3 back) that need to be done to get good dmg while you need to dodge all the aoe and watch to not drop GL.


MNK have lot more thinking then most say.its might not be the hardest since the skill are very forgiving,if you dont do your position, you only lose some dps(still very important since we are a dps class....lol) and the only thing to really be carefull is, to not drop GL but overall, the class keep you busy a lot and need to be focused all the time to performe well.

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

Low GCD means more Greased Lightning leeway. Maximizing BotD uptime and Gierkogul usage has a literal 1-2 second margin of error.

Constant positionals that aren't random procs or inhibited by animation locks that are absolutely required to be used to maintain maximum DPS.

Try again.

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You get the feeling they're just salty because Monk still does less damage than Dragoon/Ninja and they've been made largely irrelevant because DRK now brings Dragon Kick?

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Originally Posted by FreyrPrime

char limit zzz

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Yes, you know where you need to be, but you're still moving constantly. You have 2.5 seconds for your brain to process whether you need to be at the back or flank, and you should be on the edge of flank/rear regardless, not exactly behind, IE it's not difficult.

And BotD has a cooldown of 60s? What are you doing, right clicking it by accident?

I'm not even trying to make monk sound difficult, it's just a lot more intensive with 20+ positionals per minute compared to DRG's 10. But don't even try to pretend DRG is complicated.

DRG should be hard. It's a melee dps class and has one of the highest potential dps in the game. Before HW it was very easy as far as melee goes.

None of the melee dps are "easy" IMO and "hard/easy" is subjective at the end of the day. What you find hard I may not. What I find hard you might find easy. There is no factual answer it's 100% opinion.

Also no one cares who's class is the hardest. The OP is "which dps is the easiest"

DRG/MNK/NIN shouldn't even be relevant in the discussion as far a heavensward goes.

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Originally Posted by Humorless

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I'll be honest. You make valid points, and I appreciate that.

I played Monk extensively in 2.X (Second Coil onward), and I personally don't feel the same kind of pressure from those predictable positionals as I am from Dragoon. Now I can completely attribute that to familiarity, but it just doesn't seem the same, especially when you add Geirskogul to the mix. You need to be averaging 3 Geirskogul per minute or you're not playing efficiently.

What this means is that after your 3rd Wheeling Thrust/Fang and Claw you should have exactly 22 seconds left on BotD, and that's the sweet spot right there. Anything less and you're dropping BotD, and honestly it's not like you even have time to consider it (though you can be watching your BotD timer prior to WT/FnC, anything less than 8 seconds prior to your 4th and you're screwed anyway).

Monk is more active, I'll give you that, but Dragoon requires more planning and awareness.

drg/nin/mnk/blm/smn/brd are all basic. dunno about mcn. Game is easy.

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Originally Posted by Humorless

I'm not even trying to make monk sound difficult, it's just a lot more intensive with 20+ positionals per minute compared to DRG's 10. But don't even try to pretend DRG is complicated.

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And don't try to pretend Monk is complicated. They're both very simple jobs, as are most in this game and there's nothing wrong with that.

What they're saying though is while you have to move, you know well in advance where to move to. Dragoons don't. I used to main Monk before HW and can tell you for a fact it's very straightforward, same as Dragoon was.

And congrats on comparing positionals on a movement based class against one that isn't. Should have just said Ninjas have fewer positionals so they're obviously easier than Monk. Would make the same amount of sense.

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Originally Posted by Houston009

drg/nin/mnk/blm/smn/brd are all basic. dunno about mcn. Game is easy.

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Lol, this guy. He'll probably tell you stories about how he had to keep multiple mobs sleeping on his mesmer or whatever in EQ "back when MMOs were hard".

I must be retarded because I don't find all the classes to be easy to play optimally 100% of the time.

I like how this just turned into a pissing contest between melees.

And as far as 3.0 content goes I only have one class up to 60 so I don't have anything to base opinions on beyond 2.0. Bard definitely was the easiest for me to manage when I leveled it up but things have changed drastically for almost every class so I can't say anymore. I will say monk seems more tedious than difficult right now with how chakra currently works.

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Originally Posted by FreyrPrime

Wow.. and other jobs do? MNK is easily as brain dead Flank-Flank-Back, Back-Back-Flank, Flank-Flank-Flank repeat?
NIN had their opener and then just keep up Huton?
Black Mage 4 F1's per Astral phase, fire weave appropriately?
BRD arguably the easiest class in the game.

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You speak as if DRG is the only one with new abilities in the game.

Anyway back to topic: Cant really say for now who is easiest or hardest till alex raid arrive. 4-man/dummies to me is never really a good way to know how a job perform.