RIP Bard

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Originally Posted by Akuryu

People are going to say "BLMs manage!" but BLM doesn't have to cast a spell just to get into "dps mode", which will then drop every time they move, forcing them to recast it. Realistically a bard will be casting this dozens of times in a raid, and I can't imagine it will increase their damage enough to be worth it.

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Should look at the dev post update to the translation. The song will not drop from movement, it merely turns you into a caster for until you manually drop it. Additionally, you can sing other songs at the same time.

Hm, I can see the utility in the situations like Titan's gaols where you've got a limited window for attacks and you can't really utilize your skills except for spamming HS/Bloodletter/SS procs. Or say, LotA (raid content, yeah) with you having 30 sec of free DPS time. Or Odin.
Can't wait to play with the new mechanics. (Although, I really hope it isn't a lvl60 song 'cuz well... at that point, it'd be harder to adapt) And hell yeah, for DoT buff. How does SkS comes into the play with all that stuff, though, I wonder?

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Originally Posted by Seifa

This is just a clunky mechanic for the sake of being clunky. The prospect of playing a physical BLM isn't appealing at all.......

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I was utterly disappointed on seeing this reveal.

I'm not against them providing a means of buffing BRDs damage output, but to sacrifice it's support potential for it? That's a horrible idea!

Why do we need to lose one of our key strengths? Why does the BRD have to become a makeshift BLM now with having to be a crappy turret? Why can we not get an actual song that signifies the fact that we ARE a support role? Why are we neglecting what makes BRD unique?

Even thematically this song doesn't fit with our current repertoire. Songs that bolster the allies' spirits and rally them together or diminishing our foes' willpower. This is something an Archer would do, focusing their shots, becoming still, like a sniper. But it's a song? WHY?

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

WHY?

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because bards complaining that songs lower their dps.
so they don't play song.

and now, they are "forced" to play songs.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

Stuff

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Had a huge reply and realized i just didn't care that much.

Short reply: Don't like the BRD additions? Don't use them....oh wait!?!? It is a month til the expantion hits? How the heck do you know if you'll like it or not?

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Originally Posted by Defteros

because bards complaining that songs lower their dps.
so they don't play song.

and now, they are "forced" to play songs.

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I've been in a wod with two other random bards. One had Zeta, the other Nexus. Both Crit-Det-oriented. I have Animus (that mess of Acc-SkS, honestly), and constantly kept songs up till I went dry on MP, switched the target from Angra Mainyu whenever adds/clocks spawned, and I still topped their damage output on AM. They really should take their time to learn how to play instead of complaining.

why ppl dont like this is beyond me....MOOOOOOAR DPS is what we really needed , and now SMN has to deal with all the mechanics!!!! mwahahaha

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Originally Posted by Viar

I've been in a wod with two other random bards., and I still topped their damage output on AM. They really should take their time to learn how to play instead of complaining.

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they arent complaining they are probably AFK....

WOD DPS :

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...inessPhoto.jpg


:p :p :p

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Originally Posted by Viar

I've been in a wod with two other random bards. One had Zeta, the other Nexus. Both Crit-Det-oriented. I have Animus (that mess of Acc-SkS, honestly), and constantly kept songs up till I went dry on MP, switched the target from Angra Mainyu whenever adds/clocks spawned, and I still topped their damage output on AM. They really should take their time to learn how to play instead of complaining.

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They probably didn't care. The hardest part of WoD is not falling asleep. I never push dps in there, because frankly I don't care enough. I'm usually on my phone half the time, or checking stuff online in another window.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

I was utterly disappointed on seeing this reveal.

I'm not against them providing a means of buffing BRDs damage output, but to sacrifice it's support potential for it? That's a horrible idea!

Why do we need to lose one of our key strengths? Why does the BRD have to become a makeshift BLM now with having to be a crappy turret? Why can we not get an actual song that signifies the fact that we ARE a support role? Why are we neglecting what makes BRD unique?

Even thematically this song doesn't fit with our current repertoire. Songs that bolster the allies' spirits and rally them together or diminishing our foes' willpower. This is something an Archer would do, focusing their shots, becoming still, like a sniper. But it's a song? WHY?

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This doesn't sacrifice their support one bit. Unless Machinist has incredible support abilities, Bards will still be number 1 for support.

1) Minuet doesn't drain mp
2) You can play songs while in Minuet

Also remember, Minuet is a song and thus might be supported by Battle Voice unless it's exempt like Swiftsong. Ballad, Paeon and Foes are just too good not to drop.

If you came around this forum a year ago almost every single bard was saying the following: I will sacrifice movement for some more DPS. They give you that, and now all the other Bards come QQing out of the cracks.

Yesterday and today have to be the most ridiculous I've ever seen the people who use this forum over-react. We know small details about a couple of abilities per class. We have no idea of actual details such as potencys. There's people in this thread alone that think that SE would genuinely make a mistake of making a DPS Stance for Bard do LESS DPS. Yes you will miss Repelling Shot, yes you will miss some procs, yes you will lose auto attacks, and guess what? The stance will make up for it.

To me it sounds like this stance will make Bard a more skillful class to play. People who know when to turn this on and off will have a world of difference between them and the Bards who just play "old school" and refuse to use it.

P.S. SE doesn't care about Clunk. They made BLM clunk-ier to play with one of the failed fixes to multi-Flare a few months after launch and never reverted the change (despite it not fixing the problem) and you're worried about procs that proc mid-cast? BLMs procs proc 0.7s into your NEXT cast.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

remember that we will get new traits as well , maybe we get one that make bloodletter instant even with wandereer minuet on.....or who knows :o

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Bloodletter has always been instant. It's when the reset occurs mid cast that becomes clunky.

And I hope I'm really not the only one that gets annoyed by the fact that we use a song to go into the channeled stance. Every time I look at the demo it just doesn't mesh well with bard's animations, not even the song itself has a proper audio transition now that I listen to it e.e

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Originally Posted by SongJoohee

If you came around this forum a year ago almost every single bard was saying the following: I will sacrifice movement for some more DPS. They give you that, and now all the other Bards come QQing out of the cracks. it.

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That generalization though, those same bards probably aren't even in this thread. Granted I'm one of them, I just don't like how it was presented (through the use of a song and disabling auto attacks,)