Please make the in-game Au Ra (Males) more muscular, reflective of the Artwork

Use a bigger picture for Au RA, and yes i can, i don't like elezen at all, i would play a roe over an elezen, no offense for elezens <.<, but the current design of Au Ra are makes them the perfect race, if you look at a bigger picture you will notice how they are more muscular and intimidating, and you can't say "barring their horns," because the horns, scales and tails are a big selling point for the race, but even without them there are difference, you can give, horns, scales, and tail to elezens, but i won't play them.

I think you're basing your opinion in the art and a single piece of armor, a good glamour could make them look more bulky, but enforcing a design change to make them appeal to you is simply wrong, if they were asking the players for their opinions to make a new race that is just on paper that would be ok, but the race is about to be released and has it's fans, and the modeling changes required to adjust gear and animations would take more than 3 months.

We don't really have a means of measuring the relative height of Au Ra versus other races yet, aside from Yugiri; I think they will likely be quite similar to Elezen in terms of height. And if you're relying on Glamour to look "bulkier", then could the same not be said of the Elezen? If they look similar without armor, then they will look similar in it, as well.

That's the point I'm trying to make. Making their shoulders and chest a little more broad will allow them to stand out a bit, even when wearing armor. Otherwise, you're going to have to actively *look* for the tail and horns to tell them apart, which makes for a pretty underwhelming "new race".

Easiest way to judge the two is to compare the blue Au Ra with the Duskwight Elezen. Similar pose for the upper body being the reason.

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...914.1422820943
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2.../Elezen_CG.png

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Easiest way to judge the two is to compare the blue Au Ra with the Duskwight Elezen. Similar pose for the upper body being the reason.

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...914.1422820943
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2.../Elezen_CG.png

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The pose of the light-skinned Au Ra is actually probably the closer to the Duskwight. Like I said, to me, they look virtually indistinguishable, with the exception of their horns. Their animations may some set them apart slightly, but once they're clad in armor, I doubt many will be able to tell them apart. Give them broad shoulders at the artwork depicts, though, and I don't think that would ever be an issue.

Here's a great comparison shot:

http://i.imgur.com/V0qbjEt.png

Seriously, tell me those guys don't look similar.

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Originally Posted by Terin

Here's a great comparison shot:

http://i.imgur.com/V0qbjEt.png

Seriously, tell me those guys don't look similar.

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honestly looking at it, the neck is thicker and smaller then he elezens, his arm seems much thicker intact he seems genuinely thicker then the elezens lath design, plus we have yet to see a Au Ra in game next to a elezen nor the customizable points on him, for all we know they could have a muscle slider to make them bulkier, until we get a hands on creation set with the au ra then all your doing is grasping at straws at things that has not been shown togeaver, its like asking who's bigger Donkey kong or FFxiv's sasquash.
if SE wants us to give proper feedback about the Au Ra design we need a hands on approch with in game comparisons between each race.

I agree, having hands-on with the race is the only way to be 100% of anything, but I'm hardly "grasping at staws", here. They look similar; I should think that much is undeniable. These are all official in-game renders, and that they should look *so* similar is disconcerting, if not damning.

I've said from the start, I have absolutely nothing bad to say against the quality of the Au Ra models, so much as they just seem very, very similar. Perhaps I'm wrong, or perhaps the Devs have refined them since Fanfest, or for that matter, maybe they're fine with them being similar. I just think it's better to voice our concerns as quickly and productively as possible, so that they might actually be able to take the feedback into consideration -- even if they ultimately disregard it.

Otherwise, if we don't say anything until Au Ra are actually IN the game, then the Devs will never change them. Thus, it will just be complaining then.

You still fail to understand that some people don't want to change them at all, also making comparisons based on poses is misleading, if you look closer you'll see how Au Ra's arms, hands, torso and neck are completely different, Au Ra are stronger and bigger, they are already more muscular than elezen, and look at the faces, Au Ra are sharp and intimidating, elezen are refined and skinny, if you could see them without the starting gear it would be even more evident, now add scales, horns and a tail, and boom! completely new race, even if you call them horned elezen, that's simply not true, they are anthropomorphous, you are just trying to use that argument to get things your way.

And to the devs, i don't want you to change them, and i'm sure i'm not alone.

And some people do want them to be changed. Though even if they were made muscular, I'd still dislike them because... well, they're not very interesting at all (they're still mostly "human", with dragon bits glued onto them here and there. Much like the Miqo'te). Making a (new) beastmen race playable would have been better, in my opinion.

You have to sit down and inspect them to see that they're different. That's my point. No, they're not *EXACTLY* the same, but they're similar enough that I'll wager most players would be hard pressed to spot the difference, unless specifically looking for those tell-tale signs of horns or tails (and even horns would be difficult to peruse, as many Heavy helmets have horns all their own).

Your defense is that "you like them as they are", which is fine, but doesn't mean the the many similarities don't exist. I'm as eager to see more of the Au Ra as anyone else, and maybe when we do, my fears will be alleviated. As it stands, though, they seem incredibly similar to Elezen, and just as you're not alone in wishing them to stay the same, I'm not alone in wishing they be made more unique. The difference is that I think it's better for races to be *more* unique from one another, than less. Even if they did a complete 180 and made them small and effeminate, like the females, at least it would truly feel like a *new* race.