Crafter=Botter (90%)

Ger a few bongs up ya, slap the music on, crafting is alright.

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Originally Posted by Ilean

yaya, we heard you the first time.

I still believe that if SE found a way to make crafting some sort of FUN minigame instead of a menu-choice fest people would bot less.

It's not about making it more complex so programming bots gets harder, but about making people want to do it.

Think all those silly iphone 3-bucks games, steal the gameplay of 30 or so and adapt them into crafting. Yes it's a lot of work but at least crafting would equal playing.

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yaya, i heard you the first time as well.

i still believe that no matter how fun they made the process people that bot now would bot then. crafting has bots just like battle and gathering is in this game and every game has bots no matter how fun the game is.

if fun was the criteria then why did xi have alot of botters since so many liked that game? why does wow have it even though it has alot of people that love it? the reason is because fun has nothing to do with getting ahead without any effort. people want the easy way out without having to work for it and some go to the extremes like cheating and using bots to get there.

people bot to get ahead and the best way to curve botters is to bring out the ban hammer on them and get them out of the game. i just don't see that happening until the servers become more populated and the game goes p2p.

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Originally Posted by Victor

@LateReg Every post I see from you in every forum you're bragging or linking your ffxivpro page!

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ihu :( and that's only the 2nd time! and for a very similar purpose!

It's possible to have multiple 50s with fair gaming, but I know many people who bot and nobody seems to care. It annoys me too. But perhaps SE should have tried making crafting-progression less boring?

Any mindless/brainless can rank up crafting, that is how bot exist.
SE should change the mini-game to make it use more brain, I m sure bot can not play puzzle game that random every times. So just make it puzzle and all will be good. (card game, testis, whatever, but please no laggy-silly one like parley)

So I agree on the part that the system encourage bot, However I disagree on the part that people must bot to get R50. Other people just simply can do what you can't, you gotta admit this.

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Originally Posted by Alise

Any mindless/brainless can rank up crafting, that is how bot exist.
SE should change the mini-game to make it use more brain, I m sure bot can not play puzzle game that random every times. So just make it puzzle and all will be good. (card game, testis, whatever, but please no laggy-silly one like parley)

So I agree on the part that the system encourage bot, However I disagree on the part that people must bot to get R50. Other people just simply can do what you can't, you gotta admit this.

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If you can do it, an algorithm can be made. Once you have an algorithm, a bot can be made.

The only difference would be in the complexity of program.

when i craft, i dont reply to whisper, because ima spamming my standard syn while watching some recorded movies.

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It's possible to have multiple 50s with fair gaming, but I know many people who bot and nobody seems to care. It annoys me too. But perhaps SE should have tried making crafting-progression less boring?

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This. Theoretically, it is possible without botting. But it's no secret that a good portion of the "true hardcore" crafters are using a bot of some sort. Hell, it's so easy to do, and since SE does absolutely nothing against it (and will not do anything in the near future) - I understand why they do it.

They will not get banned now, because atm, SE is fully busy with reviving the game. I seriously doubt they actually invest power in the so-called "anti-rmt-task-force" or even collect data on suspicious activity. And good luck proving someone is a botter without direct 1-on-1 observation. That's simply not a priority right now.

And they will not bet banned in the future either, because by the time the task-force finally becomes active, they will be busy weeding out the new botters, and not those that botted 6 months ago. It's very sad, but I think those who bot now will actually be the "winners" in the long run - they make use of a blind spot in FFXIV's history, where no rules whatsoever are enforced.

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Originally Posted by Shyd

FFXIV + Beer + Netflix = 50 crafter

Its easy to craft and watch movies and relax.

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I like that idea!!!!

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Originally Posted by Alise

I'm sure bot can not play puzzle game that random every times. So just make it puzzle and all will be good

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While I do like the sentiment behind your post, and agree that it should be made harder to bot, one must remember that bots can be programmed to perform almost any task more efficently than a human regardless of how complex it is. This is how we ended up with computers that could defeat chess champions. No matter how complex crafting/gathering is made, it will always be possible to create a bot to perform the same task better than a human could.

The best we can hope for is that SE make crafting/gathering more fun for people who do it legitimately and implement their own bot identification system to allow them to rid the game of those who cheat the game in this way.