Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

This is not reason enough to cancel account yet, to do so is to jump the gun before the bullet is in the tube. @ Sorata don't take this personally, i doubt that SE wants to single out any group with what was said. Quite the opposite, am thinking that SE is willing to get scrutinized, to keep the playing field fair. Else i don't think they would have said anything. You don't dig your self out of one whole to jump in another one...

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For either side, it shouldn't be enough reason to cancel your account. As you yourself have said you know people who are going to cancel if SSM is in the game. I've read responses from a few people about it who are willing to cancel/pass over the game if things remain restricted. You lose people either way.

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Originally Posted by Twiddle

I know to well that Warlock's statement is as you say "completely biased and unsupported". However from a neutral stand point when you look at it seems to hold water. As for biased, i may be wrong here but i don't get the vibe that he is picking a side... Reason following my train of thought is hard is that i agree with both sides, and disagree on equal terms. There is valid points to be had from both sides of the argument.

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What you are doing is not neutrality. I find that your argument to moderation is anything but neutral, as your suggestions not only favors a side(for fear of offense by first "nations" then "people" then 12 folks in Canada who are supposedly offended by this and nothing else in the series...), it also claims there is no discussion, blaming either the dev team or the user for your inability to provide a true answer that satisfies both parties. Arcell's solution should have been more than enough.

As of right now, This is currently second to Reinheart's translation thread (congrats Loggos!!), and has been a popular thread for quite some time. There's still a point and purpose to this thread as people are still replying to it and would like to see a response from the dev team before the thread is closed.

Removing a gender restriction does not preclude the principled from playing FFXIV, it is a video game, the ceremony is as legally binding as Skyrim's or Everquest(which is not at all). Putting it in place doesn't prevent people of the same sex participating in the ceremony. It solely separates based in the player's avatar. That is not principle, that is feigning ignorance of today's gaming audience.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

For either side, it shouldn't be enough reason to cancel your account. As you yourself have said you know people who are going to cancel if SSM is in the game. I've read responses from a few people about it who are willing to cancel/pass over the game if things remain restricted. You lose people either way.

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Best solution would be to cancel weddings implementation in game , everyone pouts equally and move on but that's impossible for biased ppl that cling to w/e SE says is set on stone conveniently , if SE says no SSM then that's not set on stone and can be changed with feedback no matter the side you are at.

warlock i agree with you on that. since both sides are at fighting terms with each other on this subject, just dont implement marriage period.

For the love of all things holy.

This thread has 128 pages ><

I'm not going to read them all. I'm just going to throw in my 2 cents, hoping that they are worth almost as much as Gath's gil.

I support same sex marriage in game, because it is, after all, a game.

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Best solution would be to cancel weddings implementation in game , everyone pouts equally and move on but that's impossible for biased ppl that cling to w/e SE says is set on stone conveniently , if SE says no SSM then that's not set on stone and can be changed with feedback no matter the side you are at.

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Or, since they've already invested time and resources into the system just call it something else. No skin off my nose if they decide to remove it all together but it would be a shame to see all that work go to waste.

I think this thread can be condensed into a few main points...

For:
>It's a game
>Human rights symbolisim
>Happens in nature, why not here?

Against:
>Unethical
>Against an IRL religion
>Real World publicity

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Originally Posted by Cedri

I think this thread can be condensed into a few main points...

For:
>It's a game
>Human rights symbolisim
>Happens in nature, why not here?

Against:
>Unethical
>Against an IRL religion
>Real World publicity

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The only problem with listing "ethics" as a point in either case is that it's highly arguable. One could argue that both sides are unethical.

Unethical was listed under Against because from following these posts I haven't seen THAT many posts in the For catigory that has stated that it was unethical to not allow SSM. However the word unethical has been tossed over at the For side multiple times.

Been saying it up to the company if they do it or not it’s their choice not ours in the matter. Instead you have people who like to force it upon companies that may hold traditional values to just change their view to match something they don’t agree with their philosophy, not being sensitive enough, whatever the case. This also can be applied to companies that do support ssm it none of straight person dam business if that company chose it to be that way as stated it there choice not anybody else’s.
They don’t see their just as guilty of doing the same actions as some any anti-gay groups in trying to force people to do something in what they believe in both are wrong in doing so and you will hear the same excuses as any other group the comes along with it. People tend to nitpick to the smallest details to match their views its human nature to. A video or a cut scene for this matter is something they may think seems sexually suggestive so that deems it gay or whatever term used and that deems the company supports it base off there comprehension of the subject.
Instead maybe the company acknowledge there is a group out there with different view that are this way give them a few cut scene etc. but don’t want to change their core view on marriage as man and women. As for square enix as a company who know what they will decide but if it goes against someone view as to something as marriage in a game seriously not going to stop me from playing it still.