How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

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Originally Posted by Greyfrost

Hirose gave the number crunching above, but the logic is to just keep doing the rotation, Disembowel doesn't stack, but Chaos Thrust does, that's 250 potency from the rear, not counting the DoT potency.

I'd say it's a loss if you don't do the Chaos Thrust combo even when you have 2-3-4 DRG in the party.

But yesssss, don't use battle litany while the buff is still up, lol.

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Okay, I maybe I didn't explain it well, but I was thinking that if you have 2 dragoons you might be able to get away with deviating from the current rotation and go to a "HT -> IDC4 -> Phb -> TTT4 -> HT -> TTT4 -> Phb -> IDC4 -> HT -> TTT4 -> Phb -> TTT4 -> repeat" or the old combo with the added fourth attacks. The idea would be that one DRG would start with the IDC4 combo and the other would start with a TTT4 combo and move into the IDC4. The idea would be to allow less overlap on Disembowel while letting your own Chaos Thrust tick the whole way through.

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Originally Posted by Grieve

Okay, I maybe I didn't explain it well, but I was thinking that if you have 2 dragoons you might be able to get away with deviating from the current rotation and go to a "HT -> IDC4 -> Phb -> TTT4 -> HT -> TTT4 -> Phb -> IDC4 -> HT -> TTT4 -> Phb -> TTT4 -> repeat" or the old combo with the added fourth attacks. The idea would be that one DRG would start with the IDC4 combo and the other would start with a TTT4 combo and move into the IDC4. The idea would be to allow less overlap on Disembowel while letting your own Chaos Thrust tick the whole way through.

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I don't think that's going to work out favorably because CT is still that much stronger than FT

Simply put.. 600, 360, 360 vs 530, 360, 530

Not even including ID,Dis being stronger than TT,VT

Edit: more accurately, I think, would be 600,360,360 (x2) and 530,360 (x3), plus 50 potency (x2, one lines up) for ID/Dis difference

2640 vs 2770

If my math is in the ballpark at least.. Which is around 5% as Sunny said..

Edit 2: Because I'm bored at the moment.. Did I do something wrong?

http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/...psopiiuxms.png

Barely 1% difference

Quick question !

I'm aiming towards Dervy's recommended 625-642 Accuracy build for progression sake and have been relinquishing slaying drops to my groups monk. However, I grew rather concern about my rotation for having less than 590 skillspeed. So my question is, how big of a deal is it to be under the recommended skillspeed ?

An answer would be much appreciated, and sorry if this has been answered before !
Thanks in advance !

rough numbers for eso wep - 1315 dps 17% crit at i184 (had to switch mains recently ;_; ) over 3:20 with black truffle/xpot/party

first parse i did so i have no idea if it's cherry picked or not haha

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Originally Posted by Jin_Asanagi

Quick question !

I'm aiming towards Dervy's recommended 625-642 Accuracy build for progression sake and have been relinquishing slaying drops to my groups monk. However, I grew rather concern about my rotation for having less than 590 skillspeed. So my question is, how big of a deal is it to be under the recommended skillspeed ?

An answer would be much appreciated, and sorry if this has been answered before !
Thanks in advance !

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There were 2 sets posted.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R6NH

I'm slowly going through the OP now anyway sorting things out, changing format and adding new info

What is a "4th tier combo?"

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Originally Posted by Woots

What is a "4th tier combo?"

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With Blood the Dragon active, once you acquire Fang and Claw, you will "proc" Sharper Fang and Claw after completing one of the following combos:
- True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust (Sharper Fang and Claw OR Enhanced Wheeling Thrust procs)
- Impulse Drive -> Disembowel -> Chaos Thrust (Sharper Fang and Claw OR Enhanced Wheeling Thrust procs)

...which allows you to use Fang and Claw, a new GCD. When you get Wheeling Thrust, you have a chance to proc Enhanced Wheeling Thrust instead of Sharper Fang and Claw, enabling use of Wheeling Thrust instead. Because they proc after a "3rd tier combo" (a combo comprised of 3 moves), the new procs allow for a "4th tier combo."

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Originally Posted by spelley

With Blood the Dragon active, once you acquire Fang and Claw, you will "proc" Sharper Fang and Claw after completing one of the following combos:
- True Thrust -> Vorpal Thrust -> Full Thrust (Sharper Fang and Claw OR Enhanced Wheeling Thrust procs)
- Impulse Drive -> Disembowel -> Chaos Thrust (Sharper Fang and Claw OR Enhanced Wheeling Thrust procs)

...which allows you to use Fang and Claw, a new GCD. When you get Wheeling Thrust, you have a chance to proc Enhanced Wheeling Thrust instead of Sharper Fang and Claw, enabling use of Wheeling Thrust instead. Because they proc after a "3rd tier combo" (a combo comprised of 3 moves), the new procs allow for a "4th tier combo."

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Ah I see. Thank you.

Just a quick update to the guide.

I've shifted a few of the contents in the pages "up" once, so it leaves me room to discuss a lot more advanced rotational tips, cooldown alignment and other things. I also do not know if I should shift the experienced Life-Surge usage (where you use LS on the nearest possible 4th/FT) down to the advanced section.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3036772

If you have any tips and other things that should be there, or wish for me to discuss, now's the chance to say so, as I'm working on the write-up.

How's everyone spending their tomes for the next few weeks? We got weapon this week - what order should we be following assuming we want to do Savage?