I don't usually post here, but here are my 2 cents.
The game needs to implement a tutorial for each jobs about aoe and single targeting somehow because the amount of people that don't even read the tooltip is really high ..
Dzemael, samurai and smn as DDs, I'm tanking and pulling large packs to the last room before the boss (where you get a damage reduction). This pack took ages to clear, be cause the samurai wasn't even trying to aoe, not even doing a proper single target rotation (ignore combos etc). And the summoner, oh my god, he was standing here, spamming Ruin 1 ! no dots, no ban, nothing. Just ruin 1 spam, after 5 minutes (!) trying to clean that pack, I realized he was still full mana. When I asked why he didn't dot + bane he answered : "My bars have all my lv70, I ditched the lower levels ones" ... What does that even mean ??? How do you play smn at level 70 ? you don't dot at all ? Luckily a kick vote was initiated and succeeded, the sam left on his own. 2 dps joined quickly and we cleared the dungeon fast.
Another story, yesterday il69 dung, the monk had a pretty unique play style, Aoe bosses and single target in packs... Also tornado kick as soons as it is available. The baffled me, he clearly didn't read his skills tooltips at all and had no clue about how the job plays. I tried to ask him to aoe, only to get flamed by the others "it's just a leveling dungeon, don't ruin his fun"....
I don't understand that mentality at all, and I really wish there were some kind of system teaching players to read their skills or how to use their aoes/single target rotations.
What saddens me most is that I konw I'll meet that kind of players over and over again :(
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09-22-2017, 05:38 PMDeithwen
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09-22-2017, 07:44 PMKacho_NachoOoooo! Thank you! Thank you! I couldn't remember the name of what I was talking about. The Backfire Effect is so important in the understanding of why people don't listen to suggestions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasrat
Plus 10 lalafell points to you, good sir. -
09-22-2017, 08:02 PMSylvina
I was leveling white mage, (healing is not currently my strong suit but I'm better at it than dps and want to improve further) and I got a tank who actually knew mechanics and did big pulls without it being too much for me to keep him alive. I even got to stunlock the big pulls with holy and apply some DoTs like aero 3, imagine that!
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09-22-2017, 08:52 PMGhishlain
I pulled up Leveling DR on my MCH and got dropped into Cutter's Cry for the second time in two DRs. The MCH kit is pretty lackluster at 40 but EXP is EXP so I went with it. I was paired with a 39 MCH as my partner and the run took 27 minutes + change by the end of the run with skipping most of the packs and we were almost not out pacing the healing from adds on the first boss. We generated LB1 by the time the first boss was at 5% and I was tempted to use it just to finish the job but held onto it. I knew I wasn't the best DPS since I hadn't played MCH since raiding on it during Creator and the level 60 HW kit is significantly different from the 40 SB kit that it took a while for my to adjust. I even forgot I had my Rook turret until we got to the few trash packs before the first pull *Sheepish grin*.
Though this story isn't about the relatively low DPS. This story was instead about the level 70 AST who was healing the run. In short - I guess they were distracted by something because they let the tank die on a trash pack sometime after the first boss because they were AFK without mentioning it. They never reapplied Protect. They never used Cards. And they were constantly letting the Tank get down to uncomfortable levels of HP (sub 200) before realizing "Oh, I have to heal". They never Esuna'd any of the removable debuffs and they let the other MCH die when they inflicted by the Sludge DoT during the second boss. I got hit by the DoT at around the sub 10% HP mark for the second boss and my Second Wind was on CD so I thought I was going to die too but thankfully they realized "I should probably heal the non-weakened MCH" so I lived through the encounter >>; I'm willing to chalk up the fact they didn't remove DoTs due to not having Esuna active as a Role Action but still.. things like this makes me want to never step away from healer because I hate seeing parties subjected to that sort of inept play.
Ah well, that's the way the cookie crumbles at times. In other news I found out that both the Refresh and Tacticians Role Actions are enmity dumps. HOW IS THAT FAIR?!?!?!? /sarcasm I wish I could have that many enmity dumps as a WHM during O4S. lol. -
09-22-2017, 11:13 PMCenerae
Just took a voluntary 30 minute penalty from Doma Castle after landing with a PLD who didn't put an oath up until it caused a wipe (that being the second pull, because the NIN shadewalkered the first one), double pulled the first bit, and then tried to triple pull the iron giant into the gunships. He used Hallowed Ground, which was good, but then didn't follow that up with any other cooldowns at all. When the tank's health plummets from 60% to dead in the span of one cure II cast, and you know he's in a group with at least 1 friend, you just save them the effort and bite the bullet.
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09-23-2017, 03:22 AMCyreil
If you are going to set up a farm party in the party finder, please make sure you have it set up as such. Cause it can go quickly from a farm to struggling to get someone's clear. I joined for a farm, not to help get someone's clear.
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09-23-2017, 08:35 AMMysterysword
For the uninformed, in Temple of the Fist, the "Spirit Wave" attack of the final boss places a big tornado on the player that is farthest away from him.
Why do healers feel the need to stack on the boss's ass? Why can't they be the ones to bait this tornado away? WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME I RUN THIS DUNGEON AS BLM, I WIND UP HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS CRAP WHILE JUGGLING MY ROTATION WHEN IT WOULD TAKE THE HEALER 3 SECONDS TO MAKE MY LIFE EASIER? And don't even tell me a healer can't bait it out for whatever reason, because I've done it myself in the past. -
09-23-2017, 09:00 AMLilsephI personally didn't know that. Maybe you should tell them before the fight starts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysterysword
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09-23-2017, 10:13 AMAeducan
I was doing leveling roulette last night and got the Aery. The members were a sprout PLD (albeit not his first time doing the dungeon), DRG, AST, and me as RDM. After the first set of mobs, the AST typed "big pull", clearly meant for the PLD. It was quite obvious that the tank wasn't comfortable doing it, given the fact that he sometimes stopped midway as if he was hesitating to attempt the feat. So I told him: "go with the pace you're comfortable with" and he never pulled more than he could chew.
I think the healer took offence at my words, cause he deliberately didn't heal me throughout the dungeon after I typed that. I only realized this during the first boss, when I noticed my health just keeps getting lower and lower. I ended up dead when the boss was at around 30% and was just lying there cause the healer was too cool to res me. As RDM, I can heal myself so I switched back and forth between dealing damage and restoring my health onwards.
The thing is... I don't think even the healer was ready for big pulls. Zero cardplay, lots of pre-pull regens, among other things. Even though the run was successful, I have to say I was quite disappointed with his attitude. At least the PLD and DRG were very accommodating (I really appreciate that comfort emote DRG, thank you).
On a more cheery note..
Did expert roulette earlier today and got Ala Mhigo. The members were a WAR, SAM, RDM, and me as AST. Everything went smoothly until I had a derp moment during the first boss. I walked straight into the boss' aoe and was just standing there (why brain, why?). The RDM ressed me and I apologized... the responses I got from the team, esp. the RDM, were very sweet. Everything onwards went well and then the rare mount dropped from the last boss. I didn't get it, but I'm very happy that the RDM did. Congrats to her! -
09-23-2017, 11:03 AMMysteryswordI figured this mechanic out on my second run through the place. You mean to say that people couldn't understand it months after it was released?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilseph