Would you be opposed to SE implementing a program to scan for addons/parsers?

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

So, you would be okay with the results of this game without ultimates or savage? Cause that's the final effect of those tools being used.

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They're literally never going to get rid of savage, and highly unlikely to get rid of ultimates. Getting rid of the only raid content worth doing is a surefire way to lose a very large portion of the playerbase.

The fact that this game has no Anti Cheat to begin with is appalling.

If you look at the weekly bans they are pretty much only RMT related.

How can we take a game seriously if they don't even attempt to prevent cheating??

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

The fact that this game has no Anti Cheat to begin with is appalling.

If you look at the weekly bans they are pretty much only RMT related.

How can we take a game seriously if they don't even attempt to prevent cheating??

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Clear difference between cheating and most mods/add-ons

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Because people like conflict for the sake of conflict.

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because people like crystalline conflict

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

The fact that this game has no Anti Cheat to begin with is appalling.

If you look at the weekly bans they are pretty much only RMT related.

How can we take a game seriously if they don't even attempt to prevent cheating??

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Anti-Cheat isnt the solution. Would you rather SE risk your own PC's information just for the sake of their game. The team knows this and doesnt want to implement such measures because it'll ruin everyone's game for the worse. Do your research

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Anti-Cheat isnt the solution. Would you rather SE risk your own PC's information just for the sake of their game. The team knows this and doesnt want to implement such measures because it'll ruin everyone's game for the worse. Do your research

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There is a big misunderstanding around that for some reason the only form of measures that can ever exist measures are EAC-level spyware, while that is 100% not at all the case. Fact is, there are basic and non-intrusive safety measures that ff14, being built on spaghetti and bits a pieces of 1.0, plainly lacks, implementing which would already be a roadblock. Such as just verifying game's own files, enforcing use of SE's native launcher or properly verifying data being sent from clients/encoding data sent to clients. But it would also be a very grand undertaking hence why I find it unlikely to happen.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

The fact that this game has no Anti Cheat to begin with is appalling.

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The fact that anyone thinks anti cheat is a genuinely good solution is appalling.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

I play all types of games and 99 percent of online multiplayer games with a competitive aspect use anti cheat software.

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Common =/= good.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Anti-Cheat isnt the solution. Would you rather SE risk your own PC's information just for the sake of their game. The team knows this and doesnt want to implement such measures because it'll ruin everyone's game for the worse. Do your research

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I play all types of games and 99 percent of online multiplayer games with a competitive aspect use anti cheat software. The toxicity on this forum knows no bounds. If you have a wooden pc that is on you, all my games run just fine.

Allowing cheaters to have free reign with a near zero chance of getting caught is not healthy for any game do some research pls before posting about things you have no clue about.

With that attitude towards anti cheat it's apparent you are cheating in this game currently.

Anti cheat is not a one and done solution because many people still cheat in games with anti cheat software. At least there is a chance of getting caught. Having zero systems in place to detect cheaters other than seeing them use software on a stream is indeed appaling.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

With that attitude towards anti cheat it's apparent you are cheating in this game currently.

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With that attitude towards anti cheat it's apparent you are cheating in this game currentl- wait let me read this line one more time. "With that attitude towards anti cheat it's apparent YOU ARE CHEATING INTHISGAMECURRENTLY!?



Oh boy! this is wholefully rich! I didnt expect to actually be impressed by the level of durr I've witnessed today

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Originally Posted by Mr_Happy

I play all types of games and 99 percent of online multiplayer games with a competitive aspect use anti cheat software. The toxicity on this forum knows no bounds. If you have a wooden pc that is on you, all my games run just fine.

Allowing cheaters to have free reign with a near zero chance of getting caught is not healthy for any game do some research pls before posting about things you have no clue about.

With that attitude towards anti cheat it's apparent you are cheating in this game currently.

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You aren't even past Stormblood. Sit down and be quiet

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Originally Posted by Delis

I don't see using ACT as cheating. It takes the battle log that is already available to us and gives us a more readable version of it. If I really wanted to, I could sit down go through the battle log with my calculator and figure out your dps for a fight. That information is already in my battle log, ACT just makes it easier to read.

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This is one of the most disingenuous points anyone could ever make. You can not physically do your rotation, and calculate the numbers flying on your screen with your calculator at the same time. You could not do this real time. It doesn't matter who you are. Stop making this cringe post over and over. ACT makes it realtime, ACT makes it automated, ACT makes it possible. Nobody in the world can do what you are suggesting. You can't do what you say you could "if you really wanted to". What a delusional remark that keeps being parrotted over and over for some insanely inappropriate reason.

"ACT just makes it easier to read" lol. Cope with being a cheater.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

This is one of the most disingenuous points anyone could ever make. You can not physically do your rotation, and calculate the numbers flying on your screen with your calculator at the same time. You could not do this real time. It doesn't matter who you are. Stop making this cringe post over and over. ACT makes it realtime, ACT makes it automated, ACT makes it possible. Nobody in the world can do what you are suggesting. You can't do what you say you could "if you really wanted to". What a delusional remark that keeps being parrotted over and over for some insanely inappropriate reason.

"ACT just makes it easier to read" lol. Cope with being a cheater.

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Oh I get it, its called ACT because you can still "act" in combat while you're calculating numbers!

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

With that attitude towards anti cheat it's apparent you are cheating in this game currentl- wait let me read this line one more time. "With that attitude towards anti cheat it's apparent YOU ARE CHEATING INTHISGAMECURRENTLY!?



Oh boy! this is wholefully rich! I didnt expect to actually be impressed by the level of durr I've witnessed today

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Just add another one to the list of derps who say "you said something to disagree with me therefore you're defending mods and must be a cheater yourself". They're really coming out of the woodwork lately.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

This is one of the most disingenuous points anyone could ever make. You can not physically do your rotation, and calculate the numbers flying on your screen with your calculator at the same time. You could not do this real time. It doesn't matter who you are. Stop making this cringe post over and over. ACT makes it realtime, ACT makes it automated, ACT makes it possible. Nobody in the world can do what you are suggesting. You can't do what you say you could "if you really wanted to". What a delusional remark that keeps being parrotted over and over for some insanely inappropriate reason.

"ACT just makes it easier to read" lol. Cope with being a cheater.

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Of course you can't do it during a fight. No where did I say that. I am talking about after the fight. Which is where ACT comes into play. Most people don't pay attention to ACT during the fight because you cant really do much during the fight to fix issues, you can look at your dps number during the fight but it is meaningless in the moment because you can't just press a button and fix it. Its after the fight, when you are looking through the logs to break down the fight, which is what I was talking about. People who don't use it seem to think we stare at the program during the fight which isn't the case its a turn it on and forget about it till after the fight thing. You may glance at it from time to time but for the most part it just sits there going unnoticed till you wipe and or beat the fight and can look at it.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

This is one of the most disingenuous points anyone could ever make. You can not physically do your rotation, and calculate the numbers flying on your screen with your calculator at the same time. You could not do this real time. It doesn't matter who you are. Stop making this cringe post over and over. ACT makes it realtime, ACT makes it automated, ACT makes it possible. Nobody in the world can do what you are suggesting. You can't do what you say you could "if you really wanted to". What a delusional remark that keeps being parrotted over and over for some insanely inappropriate reason.

"ACT just makes it easier to read" lol. Cope with being a cheater.

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Who said anything about doing it at the same time? You could just copy the battlelog after the fight is over.

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Originally Posted by Delis

Of course you can't do it during a fight. No where did I say that. I am talking about after the fight. Which is where ACT comes into play. Most people don't pay attention to ACT during the fight because you cant really do much during the fight to fix issues, you can look at your dps number during the fight but it is meaningless in the moment because you can't just press a button and fix it. Its after the fight, when you are looking through the logs to break down the fight, which is what I was talking about. People who don't use it seem to think we stare at the program during the fight which isn't the case its a turn it on and forget about it till after the fight thing. You may glance at it from time to time but for the most part it just sits there going unnoticed till you wipe and or beat the fight and can look at it.

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I play WoW and use damage meters where it's not against ToS. You can't pretend this argument is valid with someone who knows better. Try again.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I play WoW and use damage meters where it's not against ToS. You can't pretend this argument is valid with someone who knows better. Try again.

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You actually can make that argument because ACT doesn't work like Recount. Maybe learn how it works before crying about it. The amount of people talking about mods in these threads while having no idea how any of them work is freaking wild.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

I play WoW and use damage meters where it's not against ToS. You can't pretend this argument is valid with someone who knows better. Try again.

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You cant say just because they allow it in one game therefore its ok in another. That makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

You actually can make that argument because ACT doesn't work like Recount. Maybe learn how it works before crying about it.

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Shows dps and damage percentile in real time. It works exactly like recount only with different ui and maybe less features. It's hard to say because I don't break ToS and am unfamiliar with cheats. I can see from a simple screenshot that it is functionally the exact same as recount or details though: a real time performance metric.

If you really believe that having real time access to your performance won't influence your gameplay in a positive way, you're just out of touch and clearly coping with using a performance enhancer. "I still have to press the buttons", yeah, and you're doing it with external assists telling you exactly how proficient you are doing real time. If you didn't have these assists, you would have to just base your performance on your own natural ability and nothing else. Everyone who has used a real time damage meter knows that the real time feedback makes your performance way tighter. Then there is the toxic comparisons we make against other players while we're on top. It's just not good for the game, and it's not in line with the fundamental values of fair play.

This game is a joke, just like every other mmo that supports addons like this. They say one thing, but then do nothing about the issue. There is no grey area as far as I can tell. It's just all greenlit by company that must not really care about integrity.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

You cant say just because they allow it in one game therefore its ok in another. That makes no sense.

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I don't believe it's okay in WoW, but since it is not against ToS it is technically not cheating and I have to use it to stay relevant in that game. In this game it is different because staying "relevant" means breaking ToS, so that's a huge conflict of interest. But in WoW it's allowed, so there is no internal conflict.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

This game is a joke, just like every other mmo that supports addons like this. They say one thing, but then do nothing about the issue. There is no grey area as far as I can tell. It's just all greenlit by company that must not really care about integrity.

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SE has a million and one problems at a fundamental level, but this isn't even on the long list of things that they need to fix, both as a company and with this game.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

That's an interesting theory but we'll see how it plays out my memerman. You're defending breaking ToS on the official forums. Not a good look and kinda sketchy to be honest. Liable to get actioned lol.

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I will be just fine. I haven't done anything report worthy. :)

Those people who never set a foot in anything above Normal Raids sure have a lot to say about how the game should be played.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

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SE has a million and one problems at a fundamental level, but this isn't even on the long list of things that they need to fix, both as a company and with this game.

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That's an interesting theory but we'll see how it plays out my memerman. You're defending breaking ToS on the official forums. Not a good look and kinda sketchy to be honest. Liable to get actioned lol.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Those people who never set a foot in anything above Normal Raids sure have a lot to say about how the game should be played.

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Cleared P1S and P2S with no savage experience as a group leader in PF when they were prog content. Not sure what you know about other than being dependent on addons since you're out here defending them and attacking those who defend the ToS.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Cleared P1S and P2S with no savage experience as a group leader in PF when they were prog content. Not sure what you know about other than being dependent on addons since you're out here defending them and attacking those who defend the ToS.

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He didn't even say it was you, please calm down.

Also, the people defending the ToS were the first to throw actual insults at people suggesting any leniency on third party tools since this TOP thing started. You guys aren't doing any better a job.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

He didn't even say it was you, please calm down.

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Don't care, I represent the people he is targeting. I cleared P1S and P2S without any addons or even discord, invalidated their position entirely just by existing.

I'm very calm, are you?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Cleared P1S and P2S with no savage experience as a group leader in PF when they were prog content. Not sure what you know about other than being dependent on addons since you're out here defending them and attacking those who defend the ToS.

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Oh wow, you did...and these numbers are just...yikes

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Oh wow, you did...and these numbers are just...yikes

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Isn't red mage the easiest class in game? You use addons, play the easiest class, and attack people who cleared content for a few weeks. Never cared to get it on farm status, never cared to parse, never cared about anything other than clearing it.

You are a walking infraction and you're for sure going to get banned over this thread. Take care buddy, the community will be better off without your toxicity. Hope you find a new hobby to replace this one you're about to lose.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Shows dps and damage percentile in real time. It works exactly like recount only with different ui and maybe less features. It's hard to say because I don't break ToS and am unfamiliar with cheats. I can see from a simple screenshot that it is functionally the exact same as recount or details though: a real time performance metric.

If you really believe that having real time access to your performance won't influence your gameplay in a positive way, you're just out of touch and clearly coping with using a performance enhancer. "I still have to press the buttons", yeah, and you're doing it with external assists telling you exactly how proficient you are doing real time. If you didn't have these assists, you would have to just base your performance on your own natural ability and nothing else. Everyone who has used a real time damage meter knows that the real time feedback makes your performance way tighter. Then there is the toxic comparisons we make against other players while we're on top. It's just not good for the game, and it's not in line with the fundamental values of fair play.

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Again, you have no idea how ACT works and now you're resorting to strawman arguments because I called you out on this. The numbers on ACT aren't what tell you stuff, it's when you upload it to FFLogs, ESPECIALLY if you're a job like dancer, because there are two different types of DPS in this game.

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This game is a joke, just like every other mmo that supports addons like this. They say one thing, but then do nothing about the issue. There is no grey area as far as I can tell. It's just all greenlit by company that must not really care about integrity.

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Then why are you even here? To whine and stir the pot? You're welcome to leave the game at any time if it's such a joke to you.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Don't care, I represent the people he is targeting. I cleared P1S and P2S without any addons or even discord, invalidated their position entirely just by existing.

I'm very calm, are you?

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"It's okay for MY side to throw out insults because we're on the side of INTEGRITY!"

Hint: If your side has to resort to attacks and insults because people disagree with you, you're not very high on the integrity chart. And the anti-mod people have thrown out WAY more insults in these threads.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Isn't red mage the easiest class in game? You use addons, play the easiest class, and attack people who cleared content for a few weeks. Never cared to get it on farm status, never cared to parse, never cared about anything other than clearing it.

You are a walking infraction and you're for sure going to get banned over this thread. Take care buddy, the community will be better off without your toxicity. Hope you find a new hobby to replace this one you're about to lose.

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Once again, no idea what you're talking about LOL. There are quite a few jobs easier than RDM.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Again, you have no idea how ACT works and now you're resorting to strawman arguments because I called you out on this. The numbers on ACT aren't what tell you stuff, it's when you upload it to FFLogs, ESPECIALLY if you're a job like dancer, because there are two different types of DPS in this game.



Then why are you even here? To whine and stir the pot? You're welcome to leave the game at any time if it's such a joke to you.

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"yeah well...nobody's laughing..."

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Again, you have no idea how ACT works and now you're resorting to strawman arguments because I called you out on this. The numbers on ACT aren't what tell you stuff, it's when you upload it to FFLogs, ESPECIALLY if you're a job like dancer, because there are two different types of DPS in this game.



Then why are you even here? To whine and stir the pot? You're welcome to leave the game at any time if it's such a joke to you.

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Because it's a great RPG experience and I love the feeling of playing it casually? I am critical of the people invalidating the concept of fair play in it, I am critical of square enix enabling the people to disrupt the playing field. This lack of fair play makes it impossible for me to take the game seriously, but I would like to. Just not like this.

Why are you here? To parse?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Isn't red mage the easiest class in game? You use addons, play the easiest class, and attack people who cleared content for a few weeks. Never cared to get it on farm status, never cared to parse, never cared about anything other than clearing it.

You are a walking infraction and you're for sure going to get banned over this thread. Take care buddy, the community will be better off without your toxicity. Hope you find a new hobby to replace this one you're about to lose.

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Every DPS is harder than any tank or healer to play. Amd I don't use add-ons. Also not toxic. And also not going anywhere. Think that covers everything, did I miss anything graylet?

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Because it's a great RPG experience and I love the feeling of playing it casually?Why are you here? To parse?

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You seem to care an awful lot about people using add-ons for ultimate content for someone who's just here to vibe and play casually.

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Originally Posted by PikoAliapoh

You seem to care an awful lot about people using add-ons for ultimate content for someone who's just here to vibe and play casually.

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Yes, I do care a lot about integrity and fair play. Is that unusual to you? Must be. I am here to vibe and play casually, but only because the game is made to be illegitimate by addon abusers.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Yes, I do care a lot about integrity and fair play. Is that unusual to you? Must be.

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Yeah, it is. I could care less about integrity and fair play of WF ultimate raiders when I'm here to log in and go fishing. Not that hard to understand.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Every DPS is harder than any tank or healer to play. Amd I don't use add-ons. Also not toxic. And also not going anywhere. Think that covers everything, did I miss anything graylet?

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No, you didn't miss anything. Don't let the door hit you on the way out either. Keep on being self-righteous and toxic though. You're going to go far away from this game this way.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Because it's a great RPG experience and I love the feeling of playing it casually? I am critical of the people invalidating the concept of fair play in it, I am critical of square enix enabling the people to disrupt the playing field. This lack of fair play makes it impossible for me to take the game seriously, but I would like to. Just not like this.

Why are you here? To parse?

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Bruh I WELCOME you to take a gander at my FFLogs. Go ahead, I'll wait here. For a "cheater", I sure do have some low parses! It's almost like your entire argument is a massive strawman that holds no weight behind it because you literally do not understand the subject, as it is applicable in FF14 and NOT WoW, to have an educated opinion. Which is FINE, everyone has to start learning somewhere, but until you actually, you know, educate yourself on the subject, you should stop acting like your words carry any weight when you make ridiculous statements that are objectively false.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

You're going to go far away from this game this way.

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Proof? Are you willing to bet on it?

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Proof? Are you willing to bet on it?

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You disagreed with him, therefore you MUST be defending mods and cheaters and MUST be cheating yourself, so clearly you're gonna get BANNED even though you're a console player. It's the same basis for the arguments a few other posters have been using lately.