Soo... apparently Diadem has i280 weapons with higher WD than alexandrian/anima lux

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Well, it should not. What should be is that, to have the strongest full set, raiding is necessary. Making raids drops every type of item was a bad move from the start, and only cornered the dev team to either make mostly irelevant content or to piss off raiders.

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I don't mind if this changes in SB from the get go, you are right that raid rewards and philosophy could be improved. Changing the entire reward structure of a raid, and how it fundamentally works is fine in an expansion (adding the third difficulty may do this), but changing it mid way through a raid tier, and at the end of an expansion long relic grind is an awful move.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

but changing it mid way through a raid tier, and at the end of an expansion long relic grind is an awful move.

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Big changes can be a big move, right. But, for me, the timelapse between the last big patch and the next expansion is where most people will get bored and could unsub. So, giving them an additionnal goal is...kinda smart.

As I said, in the next few months, every player still have the opportunity to improve their main gear, instead of running old content over and over for nothing for alts.

Doesn't matter what way we look at it Diadem is the new endgame. Which is crazy.

As a WoWrefugee, raids here never managed to impress me outside of three bosses. Melusine, ADS (as a tank) and Kaliya are the only ones that I really enjoyed. Raiding in this game just plain sucks. Trash has no interesting mechanics, drops nothing, boss drops are static, raid is divided in sections instead of one big ambient, bosses have between little and zero lore and personality. While WoW makes even a bunch of burning pebbles funny by adding lore and a slow manchild voice to it, here we have a boss that it's a silent, loreless pile of scrap metal and trash. A literal pile of trash is a boss.

And the fight design... oh god, the mechanics. FFXIV crams a bunch of nonsense in bosses that have no business having such nonsense, while WoW generally tries to add stuff that makes sense. On one hand we have Alysrazor that flies (a bird that actually flies! Wow!) around the arena, poops eggs (because she's a birb, duh) and randomly cleaves the arena (because she hates you) until she falls down fatigued and we beat her up while stopping her druid friends from ressurrecting her. Makes sense. On another hand we have... whatever the fuck Phoenix was. Blue Fire? White Fire? Why would you use a spell that invalidates your previous/next spell? It's like they just added the first things they could think of.

I don't understand how people look at FFXIV's raids and think "yeah, this should be the only top tier content" when even hard mode primals and dungeon bosses are often more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Ririta

As a WoWrefugee, raids here never managed to impress me outside of three bosses. Melusine, ADS (as a tank) and Kaliya are the only ones that I really enjoyed. Raiding in this game just plain sucks. Trash has no interesting mechanics, drops nothing, boss drops are static, raid is divided in sections instead of one big ambient, bosses have between little and zero lore and personality. While WoW makes even a bunch of burning pebbles funny by adding lore and a slow manchild voice to it, here we have a boss that it's a silent, loreless pile of scrap metal and trash. A literal pile of trash is a boss.

And the fight design... oh god, the mechanics. FFXIV crams a bunch of nonsense in bosses that have no business having such nonsense, while WoW generally tries to add stuff that makes sense. On one hand we have Alysrazor that flies (a bird that actually flies! Wow!) around the arena, poops eggs (because she's a birb, duh) and randomly cleaves the arena (because she hates you) until she falls down fatigued and we beat her up while stopping her druid friends from ressurrecting her. Makes sense. On another hand we have... whatever the fuck Phoenix was. Blue Fire? White Fire? Why would you use a spell that invalidates your previous/next spell? It's like they just added the first things they could think of.

I don't understand how people look at FFXIV's raids and think "yeah, this should be the only top tier content" when even hard mode primals and dungeon bosses are often more interesting.

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I'm of the opinion that not only are Alexdander's normal raids are much more interesting encounters than it's Savage ones, but also that NONE of the raids in the game can touch Destiny's Vault of Glass with a ten foot pole. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that they should freely go changing up the system in such a brazen way while it's still active. The start of Stormblood is objectively the best time to make grand sweeping changes to the endgame because not only does that make the expansion more attractive, but it helps to set it apart from ARR and HW

In 2.5 months a vendor will give you better gear.

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Originally Posted by Ririta

I don't understand how people look at FFXIV's raids and think "yeah, this should be the only top tier content" when even hard mode primals and dungeon bosses are often more interesting.

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The official reason is because it's designed to be the hardest content.

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Originally Posted by Ririta

On one hand we have Alysrazor that flies (a bird that actually flies! Wow!) around the arena, poops eggs (because she's a birb, duh) and randomly cleaves the arena (because she hates you) until she falls down fatigued

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Funny part, you just mostly described Pharos Sirius' second boss back in 2.1 :p

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Funny part, you just mostly described Pharos Sirius' second boss back in 2.1 :p

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I really liked that boss and the muskeeter one. Everything that happened in those bosses just fits well both for gameplay and immersion.

The only sad thing was that ranged jobs can't hit the birb while he(?) was flying.

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

I'm of the opinion that not only are Alexdander's normal raids are much more interesting encounters than it's Savage ones, but also that NONE of the raids in the game can touch Destiny's Vault of Glass with a ten foot pole. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that they should freely go changing up the system in such a brazen way while it's still active. The start of Stormblood is objectively the best time to make grand sweeping changes to the endgame because not only does that make the expansion more attractive, but it helps to set it apart from ARR and HW

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How are they more interesting? Normal mode is literally the exact same fight except significantly easier and with less mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

How are they more interesting? Normal mode is literally the exact same fight except significantly easier and with less mechanics.

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When I hear the term "raid", I envision invading enemy fortresses, navigating through enviromental puzzles and such and defeating mobs on the way to a grand encounter. The normal modes at least attempt this by not just immediately dumping you into a boss cage. Savage is frankly just glorified primal battles with twice the mechanics vomit.

Coil was a far more of a "raid" than Alexander ever was, which is a real shame because Alexander is an AMAZING summon, and he's more or less gone to waste.

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

Coil was a far more of a "raid" than Alexander ever was, which is a real shame because Alexander is an AMAZING summon, and he's more or less gone to waste.

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This the level design of both normal and savage left much to be desired in alexander

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

When I hear the term "raid", I envision invading enemy fortresses, navigating through enviromental puzzles and such and defeating mobs on the way to a grand encounter. The normal modes at least attempt this by not just immediately dumping you into a boss cage. Savage is frankly just glorified primal battles with twice the mechanics vomit.

Coil was a far more of a "raid" than Alexander ever was, which is a real shame because Alexander is an AMAZING summon, and he's more or less gone to waste.

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To each their own, I suppose. I find the trash in normal gets repetitive because they have no noteworthy mechanics and we simply aoe them down. That being said, I would prefer one fully instanced raid ala the 24-man. I suspect the reason they don't follow the 24 man system is because there isn't a way to save progression. And having to kill Refurbishor, Lamebrix and Cruise Chaser every single lockout just to challenge Alex Prime would be a disaster. As for mechanics, I like the "vomit." It keeps the fight interesting whereas I find normal mode dies far too quickly even when I don't vastly outgear the fight. But again, to each their own.

Honestly, if Diadem dropped a i270-275 weapon, and the level of sodium wouldn't be even half as lethal as it currently it.

i280 weapons invalidate content that is STILL relevant for end game play. Those Alexander runs, relic grinds, etc all became obsolete instantly with this iteration of Diadem because even with the high level of RNG associationed with it, it's worth it vs the weeks spent learning savage alex or grinding thru the relic

OK so you raid to get weapons and gear in order to do what? So you can run dungeons and FATES with i270 gear? i260 gear will do just as good a job in dungeons. i270 gear is not relevant outside of raids themselves, you would only want it to make Alex savage and HM primals easier. Once you've got your i275 weapon from Alex savage you've already invalidated it because you can't progress any further. Diadem weapons don't change a thing, they just make content more accessible for those who had trouble clearing it for one reason or another.

Games are meant for fun. Making it all about gear and self-flattery is a pretty shallow reason to play a game. Most players I know don't give a damn if you have an Alex or POTD weapon, so long as playing with you is entertaining. If you had fun progressing through raids then it's not wasted time. If you just did it for gear then your joy will be short-lived because gear will be replaced anyway. Just don't expect people to hold you in high regard because of your gear - whatever grind you did you did for your own reasons, nobody made you do it.

And you don't have to use i280 weapon, use something else if it makes you feel better. There is no content in the game that actually requires you to use it.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

Those Alexander runs, relic grinds, etc all became obsolete instantly with this iteration of Diadem because even with the high level of RNG associationed with it, it's worth it vs the weeks spent learning savage alex or grinding thru the relic

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It will take far more than weeks to get the Diadem weapon on average. And all previous step of the Anima had already rewarded you throughout the patch cycle by giving you the second best weapon. So, you're comparing the time it takes to get a Diadem to the time it takes to upgrade your i270 Anima to i275, which is laughable. It's like complaining that Creator negated all the efforts you put in Gordias and Midas...which, considering that Creator normal drops better gear than Midas Savage...