Emotes in the cash shop..

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Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear

Extra services that offer no real advantage within the game are completely optional. You don't have to buy anything you don't want and no one is going to force you to do so. If other people want to pay more money to receive these additional and optional services, it is because if they perceive them as “valuable” enough to spend more of their real money on acquiring it. Who are you to call the exchange illegitimate/evil/immoral?

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Well, the discussion is items, not services. But given that, the entire game is completely optional. But it's a game we're already paying for. The illegitimate part is asking people to pay again for something they've already bought and paid for. As a sub-based game, we're already paying for the entire thing. That includes all its items just the same as it includes all its quests and dungeons. Once we've bought the game and paid our subscription fees, everything the game offers should be available to get or unlock from within the game.

(Extra services like character transfer are a different issue, as that's not part of the game itself.)

Some people think it doesn't matter if we're cheated out of money so long as the amount of money is small enough to not have much impact on their personal budgets. Other people think the very act of cheating players out of money (by charging twice for the same thing in this case) is offensive regardless of whether the amount is significant or not. (It's sort of like people who don't think shoplifting minor cheap items counts as "real" theft.)

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Originally Posted by Moqi

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

See I don't think SE is putting a lot back into this game financially so Yoshi-P and the others have to come up with some way to make up for it. Ofcourse this is speculation on my part but I still wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out I'm right about it.

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This is pure delusion.

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I stated it was speculation, and I am entitled to state my view on it. then again I'm fairly certain you are one of the ones who think this is a cash grab conspiracy so I dont think you have a lot of room to talk. I don't think it's some sort of conspiracy.

when you have more than speculation to go on you can call me delusional. till then if I'm delusional so are you.

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Originally Posted by Moqi

If you need an official statement to see how they are not putting any more money in the game than they used to boy I do worry for you. Thankfully you still have a long life ahead to figure stuff out on your own.

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....you just argued against your own previus statement. you must be a troll.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

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European Datacenter

If that's not a crazy investment above what they've been doing before, then I don't know what would be.

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yes and if I remember correctly didn't they give an official statement saying most of the funds for this were coming from the cash shop earnings?

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Originally Posted by Felis

extra retainers are not part of the cash shop. They are not on the list of what you can buy in the cash shop. They are more like extra account service, like name change or server transfer.

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When there is a massive inventory issue in-game this is just semantics.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

This is unnecessary. SE already had a solution in place for over a year: New event, but old items available for purchase on the vendor.

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That only happened for Moonfire Faire 2013 items - and their reasoning was that many people didnt have access to the game in that period of time because of:

- not being able to create a character on the server of their choice
- not being able to log in at all for weeks because they only could play at primetime (yes that was a thing for weeks on many servers)
- not wanting to play a MMO right at its start

Every other event's items weren't available a second time but put in the cashshop. You're pointing out a single event thats just showing even more that SE will not change their politics no matter how many people complain.


Edit: Saw your next post:

Up to Moonfire Faire ALL events were new (in 2.0) - so if you say up "through" Moonfire Faire 2014 all items were accesible again - you're kinda... not making sense except for Moonfire <.<

it's all aesthetic stuff so i don't really see the big deal. it isn't game-changing in the slightest.
especially since a lot of it was event stuff that's basically retired, i think putting it up in the cash shop is a good way for people to not miss out on seasonal items.

i mean, i guess it'd be ideal for seasonal/event items to just be obtainable at the next year's event but. i don't think it's that big a deal.
then again i'm used to cash shops that sell items that are very, very game-changing, and sometimes actually necessary if you want to succeed.

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

I stated it was speculation, and I am entitled to state my view on it. then again I'm fairly certain you are one of the ones who think this is a cash grab conspiracy so I dont think you have a lot of room to talk. I don't think it's some sort of conspiracy.

when you have more than speculation to go on you can call me delusional. till then if I'm delusional so are you.


....you just argued against your own previus statement. you must be a troll.


yes and if I remember correctly didn't they give an official statement saying most of the funds for this were coming from the cash shop earnings?

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They won't go out that they made x dollar from the cash shop, obviously It been helping to finance the eu datacenter

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Because the old content was seen again for over a year. SE used to put all old holiday rewards on the holiday vendor.

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So they made the decision to not do that. It's a solid business option, especially for content that is old and completely optional to the main story options of the game. I guess I don't understand why this is such a big issue. You were there and you got it for free. If you want it now then you pay for it. That's supply and demand. What SE did in the past renditions of FFXIV is really irrelevant at this point. You can argue it for the future but referencing past design isn't gonna help. It was changed for a reason, so you need to present a better argument than " It used to be that way".

Aren't those outfits kinda supposed to be a badge of honor that you were there and you did it so you got the reward. If you didn't go to the concert than you are gonna have to pay extra to get the T-shirt.

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Originally Posted by Tyrn

Yes you're right, something that even the most shoddy piece of F2P crap manage to have available on launch took SE several years before even considering truly a gift from the gods of cash shops. The fact that anyone could even consider seeing this as something good from the cash shop and not SE realizing they needed to rectify an utterly disgraceful service is disturbing.

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The amount of people that consider anything SE does a favour to their playerbase and not a (way too long) due service that we pay every month is baffling.

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Originally Posted by LaurelinKementari

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If collecting all the pets was your end game then you should make sure you are there for all the past events. If there is a pet added to the shop that was never in the game, then to me that wouldn't be part of the need to complete since it's not in the game. If they wanted to put all the fluff in the cash shop it's still the same. Thankfully they don't, they give us the opportunity to acquire in game (except a few items, that where never attainable in game at all). My point was, everything IN GAME is doable without the cash shop, even collecting all the in game collectible pets. If it really is that much of an issue for you, then vote with your wallet and find another company to give your money to. The cash shop isn't going anywhere, and they will keep adding items to it because there are people willing to pay for extra fluff.

Bumping for obvious reasons.

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Originally Posted by guse1321

Bumping for obvious reasons.

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If it didn't change their minds then what makes you think this will change their minds now? Seriously this is life now. Either buy or don't.

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Originally Posted by Reaperking386

If it didn't change their minds then what makes you think this will change their minds now? Seriously this is life now. Either buy or don't.

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Sorry that you think that way but not everyone agrees with your opinion.

FFXIV is an Asian MMO...it's almost a given it'll have a rip off CS