BLM vs Bard

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

This is very inaccurate if it doesn't include using buffs and potions/food.

If a BRD uses Raging Strikes, Blood for Blood, Hawk's Eye, Internal Release, Barrage and an HQ Mega-Potion of Dexterity, they easily blow other DPS away,....in that 10 seconds. Also BRD's Foe Req allows their Venom Bite, Flaming Arrow and Wind Bite to do more dmg due to Elemental Resist being reduced by 10% w/o the BRD's dmg themselves being reduced 20%. Add "Battle Voice" and it's even more.

I use this setup and i blow other DPS out of the water easily. Also their DPS VARIES ALOT depending on how many times Blood Vow resets.

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Foe's requiem doesn't appear to increase dot damage. Whenever I tested it, I noticed no increase. Even with battle voice.

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Originally Posted by CursedCoffee

DPS Averages
Gear: Relic +1, Full Darklight, AK appropriate secondary ring.

Ideal Conditions: SMN(350) MNK(295) LNC(280) *BLM(270) **BRD(180-220)

Realistic Conditions: MNK(235) SMN(210) *BLM(200) LNC(190) **BRD(180-220)

*BLM results can vary quite drastically based on Flare critical hits and Thundercloud procs. BLM has seen as low as 170 and as high as 230

**BRD dps varies based on how much they are required to sing. Sometimes they are a bit higher or a bit lower depending on conditions.

Sneak peak on compiled data :P

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Sounds legitimate. If anything, they need to atleast make the relic (ignoring the rest for now...) weapons have damage on par with all 8 other job with their stats (which are all equal btw, Bard's is the only one that is lower). Why are we still lower than healers in base damage?

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

This is very inaccurate if it doesn't include using buffs and potions/food.

If a BRD uses Raging Strikes, Blood for Blood, Hawk's Eye, Internal Release, Barrage and an HQ Mega-Potion of Dexterity, they easily blow other DPS away,....in that 10 seconds. Also BRD's Foe Req allows their Venom Bite, Flaming Arrow and Wind Bite to do more dmg due to Elemental Resist being reduced by 10% w/o the BRD's dmg themselves being reduced 20%. Add "Battle Voice" and it's even more.

I use this setup and i blow other DPS out of the water easily. Also their DPS VARIES ALOT depending on how many times Blood Vow resets.

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Foes's requiem actually is bugged. I submitted this during the first week and it's still sitting in the first section. It's doesn't do anything for Bards attacks that state "elemental damage" (e.g. windbite) and probably doesn't do anything at all. Of course this was overlooked when they removed elemental damage, but still the move literally does nothing but drain your MP. It's silly that bards were cheated out of a fifth job move, and the developers have refused to acknowledge this for a month since it's been said and they had time to fix menial things like text error in sidequests...

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Originally Posted by Shadowzanon

The op can start by figuring out he does have an insta cast spell for on the move moments

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while I haven't really done much with my blm yet...

are you sure hitting scathe and triggering your gcd so that you're waiting to cast after you've moved out of a circle is actually a dps increase?

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Originally Posted by EtherRose

If a BRD uses Raging Strikes, Blood for Blood, Hawk's Eye, Internal Release, Barrage and an HQ Mega-Potion of Dexterity, they easily blow other DPS away,....in that 10 seconds. Also BRD's Foe Req allows their Venom Bite, Flaming Arrow and Wind Bite to do more dmg due to Elemental Resist being reduced by 10% w/o the BRD's dmg themselves being reduced 20%. Add "Battle Voice" and it's even more.

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This is based off 6 minute and 30 second trials on test dummies for "ideal conditions" and full encounters for "realistic conditions". No one cares how much dps you do only during dps cooldowns. If you cared about only that, BLM would blow everyone out of the water as they are the most front loaded class in the game. That is BLM's niche. No one, absolutely no one will do more damage than a BLM with raging strike during a complete fire phase.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Foe's requiem doesn't appear to increase dot damage. Whenever I tested it, I noticed no increase. Even with battle voice.

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It does increase dot damage, but they need to be newly applied. This game uses snapshots to determine damage over time spells.

There is no "poison" element guys.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Sounds legitimate. If anything, they need to atleast make the relic (ignoring the rest for now...) weapons have damage on par with all 8 other job with their stats (which are all equal btw, Bard's is the only one that is lower). Why are we still lower than healers in base damage?



Foes's requiem actually is bugged. I submitted this during the first week and it's still sitting in the first section. It's doesn't do anything for Bards attacks that state "elemental damage" (e.g. windbite) and probably doesn't do anything at all. Of course this was overlooked when they removed elemental damage, but still the move literally does nothing but drain your MP. It's silly that bards were cheated out of a fifth job move, and the developers have refused to acknowledge this for a month since it's been said and they had time to fix menial things like text error in sidequests...

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I didn't think that song would do anything other then drain mp. =/

Bard is just an easy class to put bad players on and then still be successful at whatever you're doing.

Bad players can still DPS while dodging, bad players can stand further back, and the gear -> DPS requirements on Bard are pretty low, so as long as you learn a really fucking simple concept (Apply DoTs, use buffs) then Bard is the easiest job in the game.

If you have terrible players then it's the best DD class for them to jump on.

Do note that a Monk or Dragoon will easily out DPS them though.

Think of it like, Bard is for FFXI/FFXIV veterans, and Monk/Dragoon are for WoW veterans.

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Originally Posted by Vmage

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While on the move. If you need to avoid something using scathe makes up for the lost time than just positioning yourself to then cast a spell when you are out of danger. any mechanic that has you moving for a while your better of using a spell you can fire than casting nothing at all. good examples will be if your tank misses an erruption on ifrit where you are forced to continue moving to avoid it you can still pop a shot while on the move, or when running up to ifrit druing the third plume. the fact that every class has some range ability even (ya monks have one skill with a 10 yalm range but also have shoulder tackle to recover lost ground) its knowing how to use them. The op claims to be unable to dps while moving while bards can when we have scathe for movement purposes. its just knowing how and when to use it, each fight has movement mechanics so figuring out when its best is determined by said mechanics. every spell has its use.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

Bard is just an easy class to put bad players on and then still be successful at whatever you're doing.

Bad players can still DPS while dodging, bad players can stand further back, and the gear -> DPS requirements on Bard are pretty low, so as long as you learn a really fucking simple concept (Apply DoTs, use buffs) then Bard is the easiest job in the game.

If you have terrible players then it's the best DD class for them to jump on.

Do note that a Monk or Dragoon will easily out DPS them though.

Think of it like, Bard is for FFXI/FFXIV veterans, and Monk/Dragoon are for WoW veterans.

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Because WoW required more skill then FFXI? Please stop with the ignorant comments before you ignite something much more then a debate about Black Mage and Bard.