Please buff Succor.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

If succor was buffed to be a group spell as powerful as medica2 plus rolled regen all in one cast- or if SCH group heal was just powerful as whm- why would you ever take a whm for anything?

Optimal would shift from SCH + WHM to SCH x2 and the game would have a very clear alpha healer. SCH would do everything a whm does... plus shields, mitigation, mana, and healing on the move with pet.

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I'm not saying sch needs a medica 2 or a medica 2 equivalent. I think most would just like their aoe succor to actually be as effective as medica 1. Correct me if i'm wrong but the issue is once the shield is up they are trying to refill health with half the potency of a medica no?

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Originally Posted by Eriane

I'm not saying sch needs a medica 2 or a medica 2 equivalent. I think most would just like their aoe succor to actually be as effective as medica 1. Correct me if i'm wrong but the issue is once the shield is up they are trying to refill health with half the potency of a medica no?

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Does the pet have any AE healing abilities? (Isn't whispering dawn an AE regen potency 100?)

Also, the reason they are healing half, is because half is a shield.. so if they have healing added, it would be stronger than medica. With pre-shielding, some of the damage should have been absorbed already, so there is not as much damage to heal. Theoretically.

If you make the heal increase if a shield is present to be equal to medica, then you basically get medica + a shield. You have an adaptive heal that is superior to medica.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Does the pet have any AE healing abilities?

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I sincerely apologize as i am a ignorant white mage. i have no clue but i think so.... problem is... Fairy is hard to control so i think many are not even factoring it in.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Does the pet have any AE healing abilities?

Also, the reason they are healing half, is because half is a shield.. so if they have healing added, it would be stronger than medica. With pre-shielding, some of the damage should have been absorbed already, so there is not as much damage to heal. Theoretically.

If you make the heal increase if a shield is present to be equal to medica, then you basically get medica + a shield. You have an adaptive heal that is superior to medica.

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Agreed.... but we would still have medica 2 and regen. Scholar would have a one time shield and medica.

A shield is still a shield, it will go away after its duration expires, then we are left with a unhealed party member. A WHM do the same thing with medica 2 will result in a fully healed one. Our only choice is to keep spamming Succor which costs us massive amount of mana and TIME and trying to overwrite that useless shield over and over without actual benefit (since the damage is done already).

Also, may I remind you again there aint much benefit in pre-shielding in this current tier of gear. At 150 potency a pop the shield is like 200+ HP, compared to around 3.1 HP requirement for Titan HM to last through his stomps. Not even 10%HP. And it requires a regular cast time to boost. If SCH is THAT powerful in preventive department, there shouldnt be a HP req. in the first place, no? Shielding works.... but only on paper.

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Does the pet have any AE healing abilities?

Also, the reason they are healing half, is because half is a shield.. so if they have healing added, it would be stronger than medica. With pre-shielding, some of the damage should have been absorbed already, so there is not as much damage to heal. Theoretically.

If you make the heal increase if a shield is present to be equal to medica, then you basically get medica + a shield. You have an adaptive heal that is superior to medica.

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At its current state, it DOES not. Thats why I was repeatedly telling you to actually try a SCH to see if it works. The only AoE HoT (not even direct AoE!) it has got relatively long CD, then it spams it away the moment the tank got the tiniest of scratch. Setting it to passive doesnt help, as you need to spam embrace and as soon as you use it the fairy is back to auto mode to fire off al CDs again.

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I sincerely apologize as i am a ignorant white mage. i have no clue but i think so.... problem is... Fairy is hard to control so i think many are not even factoring it in.

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You cant control them during casting (so the supposedly flexibility is non existant). You can force yourself to a different play style to accommodate for the clunky mechanics, you still cant do shyt about its idiotic AI as I described above.

The issue I'm seeing is lack of WHM weaknesses.

WHM heals are supposed to be big and powerful but come at a cost of MP and enmity.
If 2x WHMs can spam medica without quickly draining their resources or pulling heavy aggro from tank, then why would you ever need to take a SCH to a endgame raid?

That's where I'm seeing the imbalance. WHM doesn't have enough shortcomings for a SCH to complement.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

The issue I'm seeing is lack of WHM weaknesses.

WHM heals are supposed to be big and powerful but come at a cost of MP and enmity.
If 2x WHMs can spam medica without quickly draining their resources or pulling heavy aggro from tank, then why would you ever need to take a SCH to a endgame raid?

That's where I'm seeing the imbalance. WHM doesn't have enough shortcomings for a SCH to complement.

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I don't think two whms are spamming medica over long periods... there is a mana constraint there, although they can for burst healing- which I think is the intention. They will oom quickly if they keep doing it.

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Originally Posted by Eriane

Agreed.... but we would still have medica 2 and regen. Scholar would have a one time shield and medica.

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They would have a shield and medica... and pet heal. I understand if people are ignoring it, but the pet is an important part of the class and if they aren't working (which I think they are not working very well)... then with part of the class broken, you can't really judge the ability of the class.

^^^To the above post, I certainly think that an unused shield could convert to healing on expiration for any unused amount without a problem. If the problem is that shields are popping from absorbing, then they are working... but if they are just expiring, then they should heal for the unused shield amount, imo.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

The issue I'm seeing is lack of WHM weaknesses.

WHM heals are supposed to be big and powerful but come at a cost of MP and enmity.
If 2x WHMs can spam medica without quickly draining their resources or pulling heavy aggro from tank, then why would you ever need to take a SCH to a endgame raid?

That's where I'm seeing the imbalance. WHM doesn't have enough shortcomings for a SCH to complement.

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I'm not sure where you are getting your information from... but WHM/WHM is doable, arguably better than SCh/SCH not the best option. It requires having a bard to compensate for the mana issues, and i will tell you i can pull threat very easily if i'm not careful. Overhealing is a big time threat generator. And things like regen can certainly cause overhealing.

So basically... they can't just spam.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

^^^To the above post, I certainly think that an unused shield could convert to healing on expiration for any unused amount without a problem. If the problem is that shields are popping from absorbing, then they are working... but if they are just expiring, then they should heal for the unused shield amount, imo.

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That is an interesting idea. But i think the duration is too long to fill up a raid before the next "big hit". perhaps having a manual way to convert shields to healing would also work. Like when druids could make hots a burst heal. just with shields.