Unpopular Opnion: Dawntrail MSQ one of the best yet! [Spoilers]

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

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Okay, let's accept your premise for a moment, though personally I think it opens a can of worms writing wise. It's just pure emotion, nothing else matters: Why does it make sense it's Wuk Lamat of all the characters Limit Breaking there with dynamis?

In the scene there are:

1. WoL, someone we know who has an innate ability to use dynamis who is actually the one fighting desperately for their life and the world.

2. G'raha Tia, a man who traveled through time and space and lived a hundred years his only wish to have one adventure with WoL, who is now on brink of death about to be taken away from him.

3. Krile, who has the most connection to the entirety of the golden city chapter. Just met and said goodbye to the ghosts of her dead parents.

4. Wuk Lamat who is totally samesies with Sphene because they are like both queens and love their people (they met a few days ago), so she's pretty upset they can't be friends.

Why is it Wuk Lamat who feels the most strongly here?

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Why is it Wuk? Oh, Idk, because she had the most interactions with Sphene out of the three? And Warrior of Light does use Limit break in the fight, it charges just like in any other fight.

It's just like I said in my first post here, you hate Wuk Lamat so much, that it doesn't matter what she does or says, it's bad. It's just petty nitpicking at this point.

And btw, if you listen for once during that fight you might notice that it wasn't Wuk Lamat who broke open the barrier, it was Sphene's attacks who started to brake apart the simulation.

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Originally Posted by adamisapsycho

Why is it Wuk? Oh, Idk, because she had the most interactions with Sphene out of the three? And Warrior of Light does use Limit break in the fight, it charges just like in any other fight.

It's just like I said in my first post here, you hate Wuk Lamat so much, that it doesn't matter what she does or says, it's bad. It's just petty nitpicking at this point.

And btw, if you listen for once during that fight you might notice that it wasn't Wuk Lamat who broke open the barrier, it was Sphene's attacks who started to brake apart the simulation.

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you mean, beacause she decided to tagging along with us without shame and no one ask for so she has more scene with the queen while the queen herself looking at us like trying to talk with us without interruption but cannot do because certain someone always clinging around WoL?

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Originally Posted by Bellybell

you mean, beacause she decided to tagging along with us without shame and no one ask for so she has more scene with the queen while the queen herself looking at us like trying to talk with us without interruption but cannot do because certain someone always clinging around WoL?

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Yeah, definitely no reason at all for her to be there, like there was no reason for Aymeric to be there when we were asking for Hraesvelgr's aid in 3.3 or when Vrtra had no reason to go to the void with us they just decided to tag along and take the attention away from you.

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Originally Posted by adamisapsycho

Yeah, definitely no reason at all for her to be there, like there was no reason for Aymeric to be there when we were asking for Hraesvelgr's aid in 3.3 or when Vrtra had no reason to go to the void with us they just decided to tag along and take the attention away from you.

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I don't remember Ayemeric but Vrtra has every reasons in his being to go there because his sister is more precious to him than anything else in his world.
Wuk tho? no? she was just begging to be around because of what? scared of new technology scenery she wasn't used to???

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Originally Posted by adamisapsycho

And btw, if you listen for once during that fight you might notice that it wasn't Wuk Lamat who broke open the barrier, it was Sphene's attacks who started to brake apart the simulation.

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it was WoL chipping her power but w/e idw to nitpick
Still no reason why is she THE ONLY ONE broke free, where is Graha who most definitely be more capable than her in every way shape and form?

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Originally Posted by Bellybell

I don't remember Ayemeric but Vrtra has every reasons in his being to go there because his sister is more precious to him than anything else in his world.
Wuk tho? no? she was just begging to be around because of what? scared of new technology scenery she wasn't used to???


it was WoL chipping her power but w/e idw to nitpick
Still no reason why is she THE ONLY ONE broke free, where is Graha who most definitely be more capable than her in every way shape and form?

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That's like asking why did Estinien save your ass from Elidibus in 4.55 when it could've been Aymeric, or Raubahn or anyone else who happenned to be in the area.

She is the leader of a neighbouring country, she identifies with Sphene trying to protect her people, she likes her as a person... Maybe the final push required more brute strength? Maybe Krile tried hitting the barrier with her brush and it didn't work? I mean, you can pick whatever reason, you can even make up a reason for yourself.

Again, the only reason you think it's bad writing is because you don't like the character that does it.

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Originally Posted by adamisapsycho

I think you're just blinded by hate and can't seem to comprehend that someone is disagreeing with your assessments. It's basically like saying "How dare you like things that I don't like". Grow up, and google the word "opinion" next.

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Cope harder, I don't care if you like the story that's opinion same as me not liking it is opinion. However I was pointing out it is poorly written, whether you like it or not, there are objectively numerous examples of bad story telling throughout the entire expac.

Again I draw back to my previous comparison. Lots of people love soap operas, they are also terribly written. Something can be enjoyed by some people while also being objectively poorly done by the standard of the field it's in.

Wuk is a bad character not because I hate the character. It's because she has no growth or journey. You'll find that most people would like the character if she grew over time or at least experienced an emotional journey (as in sometimes the things you go through don't change you or change you back to being how you used to be) What's important is the journey progressing through mental/emotional states. Personally I would still undoubtable dislike her, mainly because I find loud cheery characters obnoxious. Regardless, she at least then wouldn't be a badly written loud cheery character.

I don't like haurchefant, he wasn't badly written, I just didn't like the character. Are you seeing the point yet?

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Originally Posted by adamisapsycho

Why is it Wuk? Oh, Idk, because she had the most interactions with Sphene out of the three? .

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My favorite part of Stormblood was when Lyse had the most interaction with that one random mecha boss in the last dungeon of the xpac so she LB3 it.

Seriously too Thorne is right. in the situation they builded up Wuk the less likely to use dyna.

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Originally Posted by adamisapsycho

Maybe the final push required more brute strength? Maybe Krile tried hitting the barrier with her brush and it didn't work? I mean, you can pick whatever reason, you can even make up a reason for yourself.

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If I need to make up a reason myself it is a pure exemple of bad writting. I shouldn't have to create headcanon to fill up plot hole.

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Originally Posted by Malthir

Cope harder, I don't care if you like the story that's opinion same as me not liking it is opinion. However I was pointing out it is poorly written, whether you like it or not, there are objectively numerous examples of bad story telling throughout the entire expac.

Again I draw back to my previous comparison. Lots of people love soap operas, they are also terribly written. Something can be enjoyed by some people while also being objectively poorly done by the standard of the field it's in.

Wuk is a bad character not because I hate the character. It's because she has no growth or journey. You'll find that most people would like the character if she grew over time or at least experienced an emotional journey (as in sometimes the things you go through don't change you or change you back to being how you used to be) What's important is the journey progressing through mental/emotional states. Personally I would still undoubtable dislike her, mainly because I find loud cheery characters obnoxious. Regardless, she at least then wouldn't be a badly written loud cheery character.

I don't like haurchefant, he wasn't badly written, I just didn't like the character. Are you seeing the point yet?

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No such thing as objective opinion. Why can't you get to grip with somebody disagreeing with your analisys of this story? I don't think she was badly written, yes it's an opinion, but can you please, with a cherry on top, get over the idea that YOUR opinion is a fact, and others are wrong for liking something you don't? You know that "mixed" reviews mean some people like it and some don't, right? Tell me you are capable of at least understanding that.

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Originally Posted by adamisapsycho

That's like asking why did Estinien save your ass from Elidibus in 4.55 when it could've been Aymeric, or Raubahn or anyone else who happenned to be in the area.

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Out of all the people you state, clearly you have no idea that Estinien was the most capable person there

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Originally Posted by adamisapsycho

She is the leader of a neighbouring country, she identifies with Sphene trying to protect her people, she likes her as a person... Maybe the final push required more brute strength? Maybe Krile tried hitting the barrier with her brush and it didn't work? I mean, you can pick whatever reason, you can even make up a reason for yourself.

Again, the only reason you think it's bad writing is because you don't like the character that does it.

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That's her business, not mine. she can probe with the queen all she want without dragging WoL along the way as she and also 'you' might not know that Scions also has and did state there agency on this as their duty to save the world, and we DO considered things more than just HER PEOPLE

READ THE ROOM

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Originally Posted by adamisapsycho

No such thing as objective opinion. Why can't you get to grip with somebody disagreeing with your analisys of this story? I don't think she was badly written, yes it's an opinion, but can you please, with a cherry on top, get over the idea that YOUR opinion is a fact, and others are wrong for liking something you don't? You know that "mixed" reviews mean some people like it and some don't, right? Tell me you are capable of at least understanding that.

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You keep conflating two different things, people being mixed about liking something is not the same as something being objectively bad. Yes you can be objective in art critique, I've used this example in a similar argument. If you're judging a dancing contests, not liking the dance style they chose for this piece. Is somewhat subjective opinion. Saying they were late on the first turn is objective critique, the pirouette was poorly executed they didn't keep her knee at the right height their other leg was slightly bent, the parallels were off etc That's objective, it's a formal critique of the technical performance. That's what's being discussed. Now many people don't like is because the writing is bad, and some people like it despite the writing being bad, but it's inarguable that the writing standard in the MSQ is bad. With many many examples highlight the telling not showing, no character journey, heel turns with no build up or reasonable payoff etc etc.