Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

You know, speaking about the WoW. I have already read such speeches on the Warcraft forums many years ago, at the start of Cataclysm. “If you don’t like something, leave. You can’t please everyone. If you leave, others will come. No one will notice your leaving, you whiners.” I read all this not only from the players, I want to say.
And where is WoW now? In a swamp. Well deserved.
This is a very wrong approach. And this approach always ends in failure. And not at all for those who left.

I do find the complaint that "it doesn't look the same, to get it looking the same I have to change it in the settings" to be a little strange - they're giving us the fantasia in large part because they know this will happen. I had to change the lip color to "light" on my character too, it strikes me as perfectly normal for them going from Literal Skyrim to PS4, especially alongside stuff like new lighting models too.

I do find the new lip rigs to be strange - and mind you I play an M Au Ra - and the teeth need better definition/are just way too white in a way that makes it look like they're glowing, as well as the facial scale textures just being far too low-res for these closeups*. but other than that I'm pretty hyped that somehow my boi is even prettier. Also I am pleasantly surprised by how the lighting changes make the shorthand I use for him missing an eye look even more dramatic.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...455&height=350

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...550&height=309


(also, lol ppl were complaining about the limbal rings literally two days ago and now in the benchmark they look the same. goes to show there really is some things that are a waste to fret about)

*the errors earlier in the thread makes me wonder if they managed to compile this with earlier or incorrect textures included.

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Originally Posted by AirisRay

You know, speaking about the WoW. I have already read such speeches on the Warcraft forums many years ago, at the start of Cataclysm. “If you don’t like something, leave. You can’t please everyone. If you leave, others will come. No one will notice your leaving, you whiners.” I read all this not only from the players, I want to say.
And where is WoW now? In a swamp. Well deserved.
This is a very wrong approach. And this approach always ends in failure. And not at all for those who left.

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That is not remotely what I said and WoW has had a myriad of issues beyond "my orc looks different."

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

So you admit your original post was disingenuous. Thanks for playing.

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How so? I'm not playing WoW right now, and haven't since. :p

And I'm still upset about how they destroyed the appearance of my characters there back then.

I'm fully expecting to be shot down for voicing my thoughts, but: I have to agree with a few here that some of the criticism is overly dramatic.
Yes, there are genuine issues which do definitely need fixing ('bald patches' on some male characters etc.) and some features which appear to be disliked across the board (lip appearance, removal of race-specific features etc.). But other complaints are based solely on individual preference: some complain the appearance is glossy and plastic with no texture, while others complain about too much texture and visible pores; some say it's aged their character too much, while others complain the changes have made them look like children. They're never going to please everyone, no matter what they do. Some much prefer the changes.
What suprises me is how much of a crisis this has created for a few: seeming to pick up on the minutest change and argue that it's ruined the entire game for them - 'That eyebrow is thinner at the edge. I'll never play again!'.

Yes, we are all very attached to our characters and what might not be a noticable change for others looking at our character would be far clearer to ourselves.
I would also add that there are changes in my characters that I'm not a fan of and would definitely look to try to change when the time comes. But for some to request for everything to be delayed, or for it not to be implemented at all, purely because of such slight adjustments, is going a bit far.

https://i.imgur.com/nUnILuf.png
I already posted this in another topic, but I’ll write it here too.
I don't like her mouth and lower face. That impossible shadow or dent that runs horizontally across her mouth and cheeks when the light hits her face, is just a nightmare.
It's the same in the benchmark. It's the same for all miqo. No other race has this. Directional light? Immediately a horizontal dent appears across half the face, passing through the lips. And please, it's not a problem with the light. This is a problem with the character model.
I don't know how to get used to this.

I hope that someone will hear us all and fix this whole nightmare that happened to our characters.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It still makes more sense to keep the models the "same but better" over changing them to maybe succeed in appealing to people who didn't like the old version, at the cost of definitely upsetting the people who were happy with it.

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100% this. The facial expressions and the subtleties are just different enough to make it feel like a different character. Better but the same should be the target, but I don't feel like they hit that :(

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Originally Posted by MrMordio

100% this. The facial expressions and the subtleties are just different enough to make it feel like a different character. Better but the same should be the target, but I don't feel like they hit that :(

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Considering how random yet drastic and noticeable some of the changes are, I feel like they didn't even try.

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Originally Posted by Tethan

Considering how random yet drastic and noticeable some of the changes are, I feel like they didn't even try.

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and yet they promised to not make them look like different characters, so people rightfully feel lied to

For those saying that "just use a fantasia": I literally can't make my face four viera look more like my viera with the tweaks existing in the character creation. I tried. I changed her skincolour and her eyecolour, but the small details on her nose have been removed, leaving a "potato" like nose instead of the straight nose I used to have. Her cupids bow has been removed while her lips have been made fuller and face four viera basically only has "full lips, fuller lips, thin lips and massively full lips" now as options. There is no saving her back by changing small things. Trying out face 1 viera they were not as affected by these changes. Face 2 seems to have also come out pretty ok. But face 3 and 4 are suffering badly.
I won't quit, but I will most likely fantasia back to my au ra, since imo they look great now.

It was dumb, but I did shed a tear seeing that I couldnt get her back. I have had my viera since their release and we have gone through alot together. It isn't only the graphical update influencing my decision, it is also the fact that basically no vieras are wearing hats in the benchmark, so I was alrady thinking of maybe switching of them. This just solidified my decision. She went from somewhat mature and detailed to a 12 yo with a flat face. and the benchmark playing couldnt save her either
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