Tomestones.. Again.. for a relic..

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

So alternatively they should cater to the no job, no life, live and breath the game types. Ok

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While I don't care which way they went they probably should have been somewhere in between the two. Like 750 stones + some fates (maybe specific ones like kill these bosses one time and give a list could include past expansions )and idk 5-10 expert dungeons and 5-10 lvl 90 dungeons....idk just suggesting something that takes a lil time would been fine.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Why does a relic step become more interesting if I have to grind it for more time? Not harder content, not varied content, just the same thing but longer? Does delubrum suddenly unlock the new exciting mode when you enter it for the 20th time? Does titan do the construct 7 dance when you fight him for the 5th time?

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It becomes more interesting because you actually have something to do.

Playing the game to get the relic is more interesting than standing around with the relic in your hands.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

You don't know what people were expecting? I don't know, maybe not the exact same step twice in a row? A journal with different targets to slay. A new trial. Some crafted parts. Materia melding. A reason to actually do the new variant/criterion content released in Endwalker. A modicum of creativity, like the devs used to have back in ARR.

You're acting like it's impossible to do a proper relic quest without Eureka/Bozja and it's simply not the case.

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Hell Moogle Tomestones are a better system than this. Even incentivising certain content, maybe content I don't already do on a semi-daily basis, would have been more interesting.
Obtain n of item X, which is acquired by completing these five underrepresented duties...
Maybe some of the old Hard Mode dungeons, and ideally the HW and ShB alliance raids would be included at some point.

Instead I now have the option of... running Level 90 Roulette... which I already do anyway. I've been capped on Astronomy for weeks.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

On a plus side least we know we need to cap tomes before 6.45 release date :P

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I'll be capped long before 6.45 trust me

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I'm conflicted tbh. On one hand, there are multiple ways to obtaining tomestones, so farming them doesn't lock you into repeating the same activity over and over. On the other hand, it doesn't feel like it's ...connected? like it's just there to basically waste your time, not because you actually need the tomestones.

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Originally Posted by Tint

It becomes more interesting because you actually have something to do.

Playing the game to get the relic is more interesting than standing around with the relic in your hands.

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makes the relic feel way more rewarding and memorable too

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

On a plus side least we know we need to cap tomes before 6.45 release date :P

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Dude just skip out until you can just get it with poetics amirite?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

makes the relic feel way more rewarding and memorable too

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Which is kind of interesting in itself I think.

1500 astronomy is basically 15 daily lvl 90 Dungeon roulettes, which wouldn't be that far removed from roughly this same relic step in ShB.

While that isn't exactly a thrilling objective, I feel like it would be more engaging than the current objective, even though strictly speaking the only difference is that I did those 15 dungeons before this patch, rather than after it.

The Devs cant win.
Its been proven each, and every expansion, no matter what the method is, people will complain.
And then the next Expansion, people will say they liked the last method.

I feel for this team.
Its never good enough.

Honestly, minus the Umbrite Step, I think my favorite Grind was the HW Animus Lux Weapon.
Bozja a close 2nd.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Remember when we had 4 eureka zones for relic steps and everyone complained and hated it and said they wanted the old tomestone grinds back from Heavensward?

Remember when we had to do 15 DR and people just wanted their old content crystal tower farms back?

So now SE is letting people do whatever content they want as long as it gives the tomestones.

Tbh people asked for boring old content and they got it. It’s the people attacking eureka as a concept that got us here so I hope they enjoy it.

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Not saying I like or dislike eureka/bozja, but who is "Everyone"? The playerbase is very vast, so a few people complaining shouldn't be the end all be all. I'm not saying those exploratory zones were the correct implementation, but saying "remember when everyone hated it?" is just straight lying.

It's like now when people are complaining about every boss being a wall boss or big hitbox and people coming out like "Well everyone complained so this is what you get!" Huh? Who is "Everyone"??