Why not a warning?

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

not cosmetic tweaks that don’t affect the gameplay like adding missing Hrothgar hat support, which I hope Square Enix would focus on

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*Awkwardly stares at the temp ban that one player got because people mass reported their nsfw pictures from twitter to SE*

"Why not a Warning"?

Because SE has given us plenty of warnings on plenty of things, yet people chose to ignore them. At this particular point, a "Warning" is insufficient.

SE has asked us, multiple times over the years to Not use ACT or any 3rd party tools. While yes, it was more on the fence of a "dont show, don't tell" sort of scenario and I believe that will still remain. The issue is people being upset that people who actively broadcasted to the public that they were using 3rd party tools finally got slapped for doing it.

But why are they upset? Because it's "their streamer". Their pal, their best friend that doesn't know they exist.. Para-social relationships festering and hitting a boiling point. You can already see that coming to a head, with plenty of streamers being mass-reported for literally anything that could be against ToS. From 3rd party tools, to harmless UI shifts, to things that don't even show up in-game. (See above post)

There is blood in the water and people are currently going feral because of it, lashing out at the harmless because it's still technically against the ToS.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

*Awkwardly stares at the temp ban that one player got because people mass reported their nsfw pictures from twitter to SE*

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To be fair, that’s different because everyone in PvP has to see someone’s adventurer plate that’s been made to look like… something that rhymes with procrastination; people can’t choose to opt out of NC-17 material like that. Hrothgar hat fixes are neither lewd nor even seen by everyone.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

To be fair, that’s different because everyone in PvP has to see someone’s adventurer plate that’s been made to look like… something that rhymes with procrastination; people can’t choose to opt out of NC-17 material like that. Hrothgar hat fixes are neither lewd nor even seen by everyone.

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Nah, the Adventure plate thing was legit since it showed the pictures before each match. This was a year or two ago when someone used texture mods to make nsfw pictures. They showed it off on Twitter and some people mass reported that person for hacking. The weird thing was that before they said that they won't use outside evidence (twitter, instagram, youtube, twitch, ect.) as evidence for hacking but I guess they changed their mind. Oh well, lol.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

I believe you have to agree to the terms of service to play the game so if they weren't aware of the rules, that's on them. Doesn't matter how new they are.

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And who reads the lengthy ToS ?
Surely, we agree, but it's hard to follow a ToS that even SE interprets on a case by case basis rather than a hard black and white and now we've arrived at this point because of that.

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Originally Posted by ACE135

Ignorance does not protect one from punishment.

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Ignorance on the players part ?
No, this was willfull ignorance and interpretation on SE's part.
They let it get this far while placing blame on the playerbase.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

And who reads the lengthy ToS ?
Surely, we agree, but it's hard to follow a ToS that even SE interprets on a case by case basis rather than a hard black and white and now we've arrived at this point because of that.




Ignorance on the players part ?
No, this was willfull ignorance and interpretation on SE's part.
They let it get this far while placing blame on the playerbase.

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So you're blaming SE because folks decide not to read the ToS...
And folks expect the devs to listen to them...
Ik the xiv community has issues but the fact so many don't understand that rules are rules is astounding.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

So you're blaming SE because folks decide not to read the ToS...
And folks expect the devs to listen to them...
Ik the xiv community has issues but the fact so many don't understand that rules are rules is astounding.

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The community is in some weird parasocial relationship with the games developers.
The moment they realise that they are not their friends (which lately people are catching the hint)
then they won't be so pissy like they are now lol.

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Originally Posted by Xiu_Ye

Do people really think a 10 day ban after years of calling things grey areas and 'just don't harass people' is an appropriate response? Don't come in saying "THEY HAVE THE RIGHT", no one cares or argues they are within their rights. I'm not even saying "let them have the tools still..." I'm simply saying that pulling them to gaol, warning them, and then letting them go when they remove the offending material, accomplishes the same effect without making half the userbase angry that people are being pulled mid-prog for sudden 10-day bans.

Please dont reply with no thought comments. Actually think about the question I'm presenting and give real reasons why a ban is better than a warning in this scenario with the context of how things have been treated.

"Its against the rules no sympathy" posts miss the point entirely.

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I always love it when, people put in a pre-emptive defense against the following responses and telling people how not to react to the thread topic.

If you read the ToS, and you seen where it says it's against ToS to use said things, THAT is your warning. You are warned by it being against ToS, and anyone with an ounce of common sense, would know NOT to use them because they will be punished.

I personally hope that SE will continue banning those people who think, "Ah alright, I'll just use these anyways, I won't get caught." and provide those who believe the same, with examples why it's not wise to use them.

If you're a person, who is making use of Addons and alike, and subsequently get banned mid-whatever you're doing, it's YOUR fault, no one elses, no the fault of Mommy and Daddy SE for not telling you, "Oh no don't do that honey." Don't want to be banned? Don't break ToS.

Easy.

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Originally Posted by VirusOnline

Ignorance on the players part ?
No, this was willfull ignorance and interpretation on SE's part.
They let it get this far while placing blame on the playerbase.

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What do you mean? None player was banned for using ACT even if it is known they should not use it. If they banned people for just using ACT, they would ban the entire first world group, but they banned only the red mage, who surpisingly had the same mod as Bengel who got banned. I didn't found a video of the player from Japan, but judging by some comments on his topic, he was using the same mod. To me it looks like they very specifically banned people that were using addon showing them specific information that is unavailable for other players. Because as I said, the other members of their groups were using the other mods, but not this one (or at least they were not taking visible advantage of it).

Yes, SE haven't been as strict with their policies in the past, that's fact. XIV hasn't ever been as popular, nor as visible, "A Titan among games", as it is now. It should come as no surprise that SE are taking a harder stance on enforcing their ToS; especially when it comes to highly visible streamers.

That's an important point from the recent post that people aren't talking about. With such an increased player base many more people are modding and with the greatly increased global awareness of the game, SE have to step up and start sending clear and present messages that even the most braindead person could understand. To people unfamiliar with Japanese communication, it seems like Yoshi's been mealy-mouthed and wishy-washy about explaining the use of mods and ToS. For those familiar with Japanese communication styles, the message is loud and clear: do not use them, at all, ever. His messages have been as clear to Japanese people as "ALL MODS ARE BANNED, DO NOT USE THEM EVER, NO EXCEPTIONS, IF WE FIND YOU, WE MAY SUSPEND YOUR ACCOUNT." would be to a Westerner.

It's a whole lot easier to hit an individual streamer with a suspension than it is to seek out many non-streamers. On top of that, how much publicity have these recent actions given the issue? How many thousands of people are now keenly aware of the repercussions of modding because three or four people got suspended mid-stream? The return on investment on that's been huge.