job balancing discussion (1.22a-hotfix)

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

*ahem* To review for the slow ones out there:


I see no room for misinterpertation, even including sacrasim.

You're making the assumption for the person you quoted that BLM must get 'nerfed' directly like 'Barcher' did.

In which case I told you to check your reading comprehension because BLM's performance advantage over other jobs did get a nerf when the bottom bar on Melee got distinctively raised.

There are two ways to nerf a class advantage.

You either take the job down a notch, or you raise the base performance of its competition.
The latter just happened for BLM.

I'm sorry, but the comprehension failure is on your part.

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So they nerfed bard which at best managed to be on par with the bar other dd jobs set so now it falls clearly under the bar. then they gave all those other dd jobs a boost which in turn raises the bar even more trying to make it closer to blms but increasing the gap even further between other dds and arc/brd...

by nature ranged damage dealers such as archers rangers should be quite high on the damage dealing ability thats kinda what justifies the expense in playing them. you could argue that the expense is for the safety of range but that doesnt ring true for blackmage now does it?

one would almost think it was the brds that were the ones killing garuda before the ariel blast.........

Before= Two Dragoon's walk into A bar.........
....... But they miss :O

Now= Two Dragoon's walk into A bar.. and party all night long =^.^= wooooooooooo.
yes took that from 11 classic lil joke about sam. :P

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

*ahem* To review for the slow ones out there:


I see no room for misinterpertation, even including sacrasim.

You're making the assumption for the person you quoted that BLM must get 'nerfed' directly like 'Barcher' did.

In which case I told you to check your reading comprehension because BLM's performance advantage over other jobs did get a nerf when the bottom bar on Melee got distinctively raised.

There are two ways to nerf a class advantage.

You either take the job down a notch, or you raise the base performance of its competition.
The latter just happened for BLM.

I'm sorry, but the comprehension failure is on your part.

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Nope, pretty sure it is still on you, but nice try. Please continue to spew paragraphs at me if it makes you feel better though.

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

Nope, pretty sure it is still on you, but nice try. Please continue to spew paragraphs at me if it makes you feel better though.

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I'm siding with Hyrist on this, you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by AceofRains

As I said in the other pld thread and in the pld sub forums

Give
Them
Parrys

Foresight and Overpower is a great combo to grab that initial hate.

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With an aoe you can lead a group into battle which is what the war does in the exp partys and dugeons. The pld is ment to be the leader (or so i thought)

While I appreciate their trying to help PLD, buffing Hallowed Ground/Invincible the way they did is not what I'd call ideal. I'd rather the ability be chanced to mitigate 80-85% of all incoming damage than to fully mitigate "most" abilities. I know they made it "most" abilities so that you couldn't use it to cheese through things like astral flows and whatnot, but it simply doesn't seem right to me.

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Originally Posted by PRlNCE

With an aoe you can lead a group into battle which is what the war does in the exp partys and dugeons. The pld is ment to be the leader (or so i thought)

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Thats what im sayin
Its a really neat tactic that sadly gladiators cant make use of

To be honest i think that paladin should be just a little bit more of the leader type.

After all the white ranger became the leader of the power rangers and the red ranger pretty much got the shaft on that, but still got to be leaderish.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

So they nerfed bard which at best managed to be on par with the bar other dd jobs set so now it falls clearly under the bar. then they gave all those other dd jobs a boost which in turn raises the bar even more trying to make it closer to blms but increasing the gap even further between other dds and arc/brd...

by nature ranged damage dealers such as archers rangers should be quite high on the damage dealing ability thats kinda what justifies the expense in playing them. you could argue that the expense is for the safety of range but that doesnt ring true for blackmage now does it?

one would almost think it was the brds that were the ones killing garuda before the ariel blast.........

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Here's the problem with that logic - you're assuming Archer has no other worthile functions besides damage.

This flatly isn't true. Their unique support functions alone solidify their position and the fact that having two insures both buffs being used encourages stacking - something that should NOT be encouraged at all.

Adding 'On par' Damage functions on top of that, and you've a class that's silently OP.

The payment for arrows (And please, cry to me about your arrow costs, when I can pay 4-6k a piece for my top tier javlins. And yes, I use them. They make all the difference in a pinch.) is the cost for your relatively safe damage.

IMO Bards should not be contenders for 'on par' damage. They should be on a tier slightly below, as they offer more to damage than just their own performance. Unless of course, you want to take a "Cleric's Stance" approach to all this.

Really SE? I leveled Archer not to be Bard. Fine you made it into a bard and then you made it that only one song can be active at a time unless you have 2 or more bards in the party. And now this crap. Seriously give us a ranged DD job and a pure support job. Ranger in FFXI is a really good dd. You can improve bard by making two songs stick. That alone will make up for the things that you have done wrong. A really good brd most definitely can DD.

Monk and Dragoon mega buffed. I'm freaking happy. :D