What is with the constant mistreatment of the Garlean story?(6.1 Patch spoilers)

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

I'm curious about what more people could want done with Garlemald that hasn't been done already. They've been the focus of several story arcs, we've had loyal Garleans, idealistic Garleans, power-hungry Garleans, Garlean defectors and Garlean collaborators.

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Honestly I want to know about the rank and file Garleans, the civilians. The Garleans are a people beaten then elevated from the ashes only to be beaten again by design. The reaper questline and the 6.1 role quest gave us a little bit of insight into the lives of the normal Garleans and there's easily enough to add another dimension to them and there interaction with the enemy of there leaders, the WoL.

How would they react to the Hero of the Savages, are we the ultimate evil to a people who were bullied and discriminated for years by magic users? How many of the people are like Fordola and just doing enough to up there role in life, or how many people are like Rhitahtyn and have fully converted to the Garlean's side, or how many people are like the Domans who are complicit and beaten into submission, or finally how many people are like the people from Bozja and are ready to fight to the end.

They didn't live like any of the city-states of Eorzea and with there path of conquest, any of the non Garlean main areas could of been anything and shown different legions doing different things. Like how different the empire's soiders in Eorzea were from the ones in Doma. It just feels like a missed opportunity.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

I'm curious about what more people could want done with Garlemald that hasn't been done already. They've been the focus of several story arcs, we've had loyal Garleans, idealistic Garleans, power-hungry Garleans, Garlean defectors and Garlean collaborators. They're among the most plentiful and developed set of characters in the story, and it's more than likely we'll be seeing more of them in the future.

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I mean…i would say what they were doing in Corvos,reclaiming their homeland? But that was dealt with off screen. There’s a lot they could do tbh. They have all those legions after all. I don’t see how this can’t be asked the same to the scions. They’ve been the focus of almost all the story arcs and they’re still at the front and center.

The remaining legions are such a huge loose thread it's something I'd want to be addressed next in 7.0 before we go galivanting off to Meracydia or the New World.

I suppose that just because the second legion got wiped out, it by no means indicates that the others won't attempt to reclaim Corvos and that could actually be what ends up causing us to get involved.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Nerva being built up all throughout ShB

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Huh? He was mentioned like twice as the rival of Varis who lost the civil war.
If you can call that a setup, then Fufulupa from Horizon certainly deserves a whole expansion for himself, because we know like 10 times more about him than we ever did about Nerva.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Huh? He was mentioned like twice as the rival of Varis who lost the civil war.
If you can call that a setup, then Fufulupa from Horizon certainly deserves a whole expansion for himself, because we know like 10 times more about him than we ever did about Nerva.

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He was a critical element in Fandaniel's whole scheme to cause the Final Days as he was being strung along and given the resources to put down the unrest in the provinces quickly and get the civil war focused mostly in the capital.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Huh? He was mentioned like twice as the rival of Varis who lost the civil war.
If you can call that a setup, then Fufulupa from Horizon certainly deserves a whole expansion for himself, because we know like 10 times more about him than we ever did about Nerva.

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He was mentioned in almost every patch in 6.1+ with Fandaniel constantly mentioning him. I believe he kept stating that he was funding Nerva’s operation.

If you want to develop the Garlean civil war story more, I'd be a lot more interested in the actual ideological differences between the two factions fighting. If it's just "well this group of dudes is loyal to one guy, and this group of dudes is loyal to the other guy" that's not exactly compelling, and giving more information about the guy that the faction is loyal to will not make it any more interesting to me.

But you don't even need Nerva at all to develop that story. You could easily have two political factions emerge out of a post-civil war Garlemald, with one tracing themselves back to Varis loyalists and another to Nerva loyalists. The important thing is to actually give those two factions some ideas other than 'we liked this guy more'. Which is all the civil war ever looked like to me.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

If you want to develop the Garlean civil war story more, I'd be a lot more interested in the actual ideological differences between the two factions fighting. If it's just "well this group of dudes is loyal to one guy, and this group of dudes is loyal to the other guy" that's not exactly compelling, and giving more information about the guy that the faction is loyal to will not make it any more interesting to me.

But you don't even need Nerva at all to develop that story. You could easily have two political factions emerge out of a post-civil war Garlemald, with one tracing themselves back to Varis loyalists and another to Nerva loyalists. The important thing is to actually give those two factions some ideas other than 'we liked this guy more'. Which is all the civil war ever looked like to me.

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It’s not specifically about Nerva i have a problem with but the fact they just completely wrote him off as nothing but fodder along with the 2nd legion. Combine that with the way Bozja was and garlemald is just constantly getting the short end of the stick. It’s ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

He was a critical element in Fandaniel's whole scheme to cause the Final Days as he was being strung along and given the resources to put down the unrest in the provinces quickly and get the civil war focused mostly in the capital.

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Critical is stretching it. Another faction leader would’ve worked just as well as he in that role.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

He was a critical element in Fandaniel's whole scheme to cause the Final Days as he was being strung along and given the resources to put down the unrest in the provinces quickly and get the civil war focused mostly in the capital.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

He was mentioned in almost every patch in 6.1+ with Fandaniel constantly mentioning him. I believe he kept stating that he was funding Nerva’s operation.

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At best, he was a pawn for Fandaniel's "chess" game. Maybe a Rook or a Knight? Still just a disposable piece. I sincerely don't care too much for Nerva, nor do I understand why would anyone care too much about him. A lot can be said about the Garlemald stories. I personally really enjoyed them all, but pretending Nerva was this "big" character on par with Varis or Gaius seems a bit silly to me.
I guess we can agree to disagree on this.