Healer design is still terrible and I'm tired of apologizing for it.

This is why I play healer on WoW and ditched healing on 14. At least in WoW you have constant incoming damage to handle, there isn’t a load of OP ogcd heals to fall back on and there is actually a challenge in balancing DPSing and healing, and you get to interrupt and provide meaningful utility, plus it’s actually a challenge to play healer.

Unless they change encounter design significantly (which will likely never happen) healing will never change.

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Originally Posted by Thoosa

Unless they change encounter design significantly (which will likely never happen) healing will never change.

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I wish they would. It would allow for cc to actually be viable and other option. Oh well one game can’t be perfect and have everything.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Maybe SE will force dual healers with split-stack mechanics or other things that require 2 healers to resolve - but for those of us that feel too much time is spent pressing 1 and too little healing, this is a pretty marked step in a worse direction.

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That is precisely what they'll do, and have been doing throughout Shadowbringers. You absolutely didn't need two healers in E9 or E10. Even E11 would be manageable but a lot more risky early on with cycles. Promise and Oracle may have pushed it but could be solo healed with a skilled player. Instead of making both healers required, each fight had at least one mechanic that ensures deaths if you dropped a trinity role. Anti-Air/Wide Valley could, in theory, be two stacked but ran into issues. Orbs could get incredibly finnicky without two healers while Fire cycle was impossible not to kill two DPS.

Unfortunately, this seems to be the direction the dev team is going. They've essentially thrown up their hands and said: "You're taking two healers or we'll make mechanics incredibly annoying if you don't." Now the one "saving grace" that may open their eyes to how poorly this approach is would be Endwalker being exceptionally easy due to the sheer amount of tools tanks were given on top of healers already having far too many oGCDs. If damage scaling remains relatively similar to Shadowbringers, Savage is going to be laughable in terms of outgoing damage. We'll know in two weeks but I will say, the first EX is arguably the easiest we've ever had. I'd struggle to even label it as such. He just... falls over once you realize his gimmick.

On the other hand, if this results in more Savage participation. They may actually be happy... It's more than a little concerning to say the least...

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Originally Posted by Thoosa

This is why I play healer on WoW and ditched healing on 14. At least in WoW you have constant incoming damage to handle, there isn’t a load of OP ogcd heals to fall back on and there is actually a challenge in balancing DPSing and healing, and you get to interrupt and provide meaningful utility, plus it’s actually a challenge to play healer.

Unless they change encounter design significantly (which will likely never happen) healing will never change.

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Well said and this mirrors my thoughts.

For how much we meme on WoW these days, their encounter and healer/tank design is top notch and SE would do well to emulate it.

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Originally Posted by QooEr

The extemes have already been done without healers, and the normal raids arent even out yet

[spoilers in link, obviously] https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1qL4y1J7Mh

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This is absolutely ******* stupid. I hope this gets plastered all over reddit and on the rest of the forums.

If this doesn't show why the design of the healer role is an absolute joke, I don't know what does.

LOL ^ 75% of people still cant do snakes tho so its cool.

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Originally Posted by AC9Breaker

LOL ^ 75% of people still cant do snakes tho so its cool.

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And yet they can still clear the fight. Just goes to show how negligible the damage actually is.

or maybe that its launch Ex trials which are generally easier and people get carried all the time.

Everyone who says they never need to heal, I wish I got into your runs. I always feel like I'm being run ragged having to spam heal people just to keep them alive, even just getting through the dungeons in EW.

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Originally Posted by sirflimflam

Everyone who says they never need to heal, I wish I got into your runs. I always feel like I'm being run ragged having to spam heal people just to keep them alive, even just getting through the dungeons in EW.

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There must be something really wrong with the people you're queueing with. Even trusts do better at mob pulls in pulling, and in double pulls the tank will at least pop a defensive so you still never need to spam GCD heals as long as you can rotate your healing abilities.