Need help / advice for this tank roulette situation

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

So my point stands - you brought it up because it was convenient for your comment. Maybe it's time to stop hiding behind it?
Any adequate human being would understand that low level content is where people learn their jobs and that you don't even have your full kit unlocked.
But if no one is new, nothing changes. Anyone can pull, tanks should tank, DPS do damage, Healer - keep everyone alive and do damage if possible.

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DPS pulling happens a lot in lower level content, so why would I pretend it doesn't exist? A lot of the people who play this game aren't adequate human beings; that's a big part of the problem. You only don't want it mentioned because it inconveniences your point.

At 80 it's less of an issue, but you might still occasionally get slow tanks and it's up to you exactly how rude you want to be about it. If you're going to run ahead and pull instead of simply talking to the tank, then you're being dismissive and inconsiderate. So, don't run to the forums crying if the tank is inconsiderate back.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

DPS pulling happens a lot in lower level content, so why would I pretend it doesn't exist? A lot of the people who play this game aren't adequate human beings; that's a big part of the problem. You only don't want it mentioned because it inconveniences your point.

At 80 it's less of an issue, but you might still occasionally get slow tanks and it's up to you exactly how rude you want to be about it. If you're going to run ahead and pull instead of simply talking to the tank, then you're being dismissive and inconsiderate. So, don't run to the forums crying if the tank is inconsiderate back.

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My initial point didn't touch low level content because it's pointless and I already explained why, you can reread my previous posts if your desire to add something that wasn't there in the first place confused you.

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A lot of the people who play this game aren't adequate human beings; that's a big part of the problem.

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Imagine actually saying something like this. I guess because you have nothing else to say? Judging people in game without actually knowing them is not something that anyone should do, just a tip.
If I run ahead of the tank, means tank is AFK or slow walking.
I shouldn't have to talk to anyone about what their job is.
So far, I don't see anyone crying, but nice try.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

My initial point didn't touch low level content because it's pointless and I already explained why, you can reread my previous posts if your desire to add something that wasn't there in the first place confused you.

Imagine actually saying something like this. I guess because you have nothing else to say? Judging people in game without actually knowing them is not something that anyone should do, just a tip.
If I run ahead of the tank, means tank is AFK or slow walking.
I shouldn't have to talk to anyone about what their job is.
So far, I don't see anyone crying, but nice try.

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Your initial point didn't specify any level of content; so one could only conclude you were referencing everything. If you're this touchy about people only responding to your exact thoughts then maybe you should learn to communicate them clearly.

As for a lot of people who play this game being less than adequate human beings; you're the one who made that a point of discussion, I merely responded to you. I form opinions on stuff like that based on how people behave; if you don't like my conclusion then... too bad?

And finally, this thread has been mostly crying about the "you pull it, you tank it" attitude some tanks have. If you don't want to be polite and talk to people, and instead would rather be dismissive and inconsiderate, then you have no grounds to cry when people are inconsiderate back. So, if the tank lets you drop dead when you run ahead don't run back here and cry your little eyes out about it.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Your initial point didn't specify any level of content; so one could only conclude you were referencing everything. If you're this touchy about people only responding to your exact thoughts then maybe you should learn to communicate them clearly.

As for a lot of people who play this game being less than adequate human beings; you're the one who made that a point of discussion, I merely responded to you. I form opinions on stuff like that based on how people behave; if you don't like my conclusion then... too bad?

And finally, this thread has been mostly crying about the "you pull it, you tank it" attitude some tank have. If you don't want to be polite and talk to people, and instead would rather be dismissive and inconsiderate, then you have no grounds to cry when people are inconsiderate back. So, if the tank lets you drop dead when you run ahead don't run back here and cry your little eyes out about it.

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The first thing you did is brought up low level content because it was convenient for you to which I replied:

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

You brought low level content because it was convenient for your point? I never said anything about low level content. I consider it as a learning ground and not worth the mention. Also funny how you don't even need a tank in most of the lower level duties. (:

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Me bringing up this phrase

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Any adequate human being would understand that low level content is where people learn their jobs and that you don't even have your full kit unlocked.

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meaning anyone and everyone. No idea why would I need to explain that. You formed a conclusion by warping my words around. And also said this

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A lot of the people who play this game aren't adequate human beings; that's a big part of the problem.

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Not nice.

And the last thing.
You call it "crying", yet you have no problem with Egoistic, "I'm the king here" approach of "you pull it, you tank it" which essentially hurts THE ENTIRE group and not just one guy who hurt the tank's feelings? It's almost like you believe that the tank is the center of the universe. The answer is No btw. Everyone is equal. If you don't like someone pulling for you, be faster or be nice about it yourself.

Why is it okay for a dps to be egotistic tho?
If the entire group is having problems with the pace that's one thing, but it's usually not the case usually it's just one person freaking out.
Setting the pace is I think just as a result of what the tanks job is one of their privileges and duties.

If you have an issue with it then ask them to increase it and if they don't then kick and replace them if the others agree.
Everyone is not equal in this situation because tanking is not your job as dps the same way that a RDM shouldn't be healing instead of the healer just because they want to.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Why is it okay for a dps to be egotistic tho?
If the entire group is having problems with the pace that's one thing, but it's usually not the case usually it's just one person freaking out.
Setting the pace is I think just as a result of what the tanks job is one of their privileges and duties.

If you have an issue with it then ask them to increase it and if they don't then kick and replace them if the others agree.
Everyone is not equal in this situation because tanking is not your job as dps the same way that a RDM shouldn't be healing instead of the healer just because they want to.

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THE GROUP sets up the pace. The ENTIRE group. Not just one person.
DPS can't keep up - can't go big pulls.
Tank lacking gear and taking too much damage - can't go big pulls.
Healer can't keep up with keeping everyone alive - can't go big pulls.
But it works in the opposite way too.
If you have enough damage and things die like flies and you don't melt - you have to suck it up and overcome your fears, get out of your comfort zone as a tank. And go big. Everyone will appreciate that.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

The first thing you did is brought up low level content because it was convenient for you to which I replied:


Me bringing up this phrase

meaning anyone and everyone. No idea why would I need to explain that. You formed a conclusion by warping my words around. And also said this

Not nice.

And the last thing.
You call it "crying", yet you have no problem with Egoistic, "I'm the king here" approach of "you pull it, you tank it" which essentially hurts THE ENTIRE group and not just one guy who hurt the tank's feelings? It's almost like you believe that the tank is the center of the universe. The answer is No btw. Everyone is equal. If you don't like someone pulling for you, be faster or be nice about it yourself.

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I brought up low level content because it's the best example of where DPS pulling is rude, but it's not the only example. You're just fixated on it because it completely undermines your point.

If you think everyone and anyone who plays this game is an adequate human being then you're a bit delusional. In any case, I feel a lot of people who play this game don't fit that description, so I said as much. Problem?

And finally, it's like I said earlier; I don't have a problem with "you pull it, you tank it" because it's a response. If the DPS is being rude to the tank because he can't be bothered to make a polite request, then the tank has every right to be rude back. I don't understand where a lot of you get this belief that you can be a jerk to people and they'll just politely sit there and not do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

I brought up low level content because it's the best example of where DPS pulling is rude, but it's not the only example. You're just fixated on it because it completely undermines your point.

If you think everyone and anyone who plays this game is an adequate human being then you're a bit delusional. In any case, I feel a lot of people who play this game don't fit that description, so I said as much. Problem?

And finally, it's like I said earlier; I don't have a problem with "you pull it, you tank it" because it's a response. If the DPS is being rude to the tank because he can't be bothered to make a polite request, then the tank has every right to be rude back. I don't get where a lot of you get this belief that you can be a jerk to people and they'll just politely sit there and not do anything about it.

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I brought up this point, because low level content is not that big of a deal. I can repeat it as much as you want, don't you worry. Maybe after third time you'll finally stop focusing on it.

I'm not delusional. I just don't belittle people I don't know, sounds like an adult thing to do. You need to reconsider your perspective here. Maybe it's not them, maybe it's you.

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I don't have a problem with "you pull it, you tank it" because it's a response. If the DPS is being rude to the tank because he can't be bothered to make a polite request, then the tank has every right to be rude back

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What a great person you are. Responding to someone "being rude" with being rude, but keep in mind that you're not only being rude to your "offender" but to others who were not involved too. I think it's not me but you who is delusional here. You're not a king there, you're just a party member like other group members. What's wrong with someone else pulling for you anyway? Be faster.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

I brought up this point, because low level content is not that big of a deal. I can repeat it as much as you want, don't you worry. Maybe after third time you'll finally stop focusing on it.

I'm not delusional. I just don't belittle people I don't know, sounds like an adult thing to do. You need to reconsider your perspective here. Maybe it's not them, maybe it's you.


What a great person you are. Responding to someone "being rude" with being rude, but keep in mind that you're not only being rude to your "offender" but to others who were not involved too. I think it's not me but you who is delusional here. You're not a king there, you're just a party member like other group members. What's wrong with someone else pulling for you anyway? Be faster.

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Low level content is way more difficult than 80 dungeons because of crappy kits, and it's more likely to have new players in it, so it's probably the biggest deal when it comes to this discussion. 80 dungeons, oddly enough, are where this topic is kind of irrelevant.

And again, the assessment of people in this game is a point you brought up. If you judge them all to be adequate then good for you, but I don't agree. I get that you don't like the conclusion I've drawn, but you're the one who brought this up.

Also, I'm just saying that responding to rudeness with rudeness is fair. I honestly find it hilarious that you people all go out picking fights with tanks, and then act like the tank is the jerk for fighting back. Be considerate to people and they'll be considerate in turn. Be dismissive and rude and that's how people will respond. These are the absolute basics of interacting with people.

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Originally Posted by Miracle_Diva

So my point stands - you brought it up because it was convenient for your comment. Maybe it's time to stop hiding behind it?
Any adequate human being would understand that low level content is where people learn their jobs and that you don't even have your full kit unlocked.
But if no one is new, nothing changes. Anyone can pull, tanks should tank, DPS do damage, Healer - keep everyone alive and do damage if possible.

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If you want someone that isn't the tank to pull then don't expect the tank to lead.

Every game I've played bar Everquest, the tank pulled and everyone else was polite enough to let them. Everquest was different because your puller was usually a monk skilled at picking out single mobs from the group and feigning death if they failed or for the tank to grab it.

No DPS here have that kit. Pulling for the tank just because YOU don't like how fast it's going is just as rude as "you pull it, you tank it".

Usually if a healer can handle larger pulls, just saying so will speed the tank up. It's not hard to talk to people.