Really hope next savage tier is delayed.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Got it, so you once again have no point to make and start spouting nonsense or irrelevant stuff.

You don't need to rush without the delay.

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I made plenty of points, you just sticking to "devs won't change it" or "don't rush" is what all your points boil down to.
Trying to be a fake ass supporter for the other types of players for internet points like you actually give a sh*t.

Delaying savage has a lot of benefits. I have yet to hear a good reason as to why a delay is bad other than "thinking" what devs might do if there was a delay.

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Originally Posted by FeliAiko

Weak argument. Savage can still be staggered without affecting tome release schedule. There's no hard rule stating that the two have to be extrinsically linked. You can argue on how they've established a pattern of such, but if SE were bound to the same content release schedule with no changes then we'd still be at 300 tome cap, resets being on Monday, crafted gear being ilvls lower than previous raid BiS, all advertised content being released on patch day, and so on.

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Well, until they show a willingness to make such a change, it's the only argument I need. It's not weak as the argument is not that they can't change, but that they won't given the history of patch cycles.

If they don't delay tomestone, I'm personally ok with delaying Savage, but again, there are Savage raiders who don't want a delay either. So it's not like it's a win-win argument there either regardless.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

I made plenty of points, you just sticking to "devs won't change it" or "don't rush" is what all your points boil down to.
Trying to be a fake ass supporter for the other types of players for internet points like you actually give a sh*t.

Delaying savage has a lot of benefits. I have yet to hear a good reason as to why a delay is bad other than "thinking" what devs might do if there was a delay.

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Basing it on what they've done with previous patches where they delay Savage is a good enough reason. If that's all my points boil down to, well that says a lot about what your "plenty of points" boil down to.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Basing it on what they've done with previous patches where they delay Savage is a good enough reason. If that's all my points boil down to, well that says a lot about what your "plenty of points" boil down to.

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You mean it basically helping DF players and giving everybody a fair chance at the world race? Yeah.
Better than your squares into circle replies.
"Don't rush!" Top tier counter reply.

The dev team has changed a lot of things in the past that have been in place for years before they changed it.
Remember how gear in savage dropped a random piece? Well now its coffers so it comes out the job you opened it with.
Remember how we didn't have pages and can go months with no loot because you keep losing you roll? Well now we have the pages to fix that.
The devs can change their pattern or how stuff works, don't act like they haven't before.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

You mean it basically helping DF players and giving everybody a fair chance at the world race? Yeah.
Better than your squares into circle replies.
"Don't rush!" Top tier counter reply.

The dev team has changed a lot of things in the past that have been in place for years before they changed it.
Remember how gear in savage dropped a random piece? Well now its coffers so it comes out the job you opened it with.
Remember how we didn't have pages and can go months with no loot because you keep losing you roll? Well now we have the pages to fix that.
The devs can change their pattern or how stuff works, don't act like they haven't before.

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Yes, "don't rush" is the top tier reply.

Because you want the devs to solve a problem of your own making,

If SE changes when savage is released it will done cause it benefits the savsge raid community as a whole. Not day 1 raiders not world first raiders.

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Originally Posted by MarniDawg

Bull. If you want a week one clear you have to sacrifice story.

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bullshit .

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Well, then it becomes more important to make the best use of your Normal and turn 1-3 gear and the dps checks are that much tighter week 1, rather than shoving a 510 pentamelded set on your entire team right away. I don't think the higher requirements mean we have to be given access to crafted gear immediately.

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Yeah i totally agree with that.

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That's only if what I say requires me to do that type of content, which is not true. If I'm telling you how to heal in Savage, but I don't do Savage, then you'd have a point. But I don't need to do Savage to tell you that Savage isn't going anywhere once released.

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Yeah I didn't think you did week 1. Not even worth having a discussion with someone who had no idea what they are talking about.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Well, until they show a willingness to make such a change, it's the only argument I need

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Well, obviously. The point of OP's post is wanting SE to make the change, which they have the power to do since they're not above doing it for other content already.

Going 'oh well they won't do it because patch history' is a dumb argument because they've already shown a history of changing up things despite previous patch cycle history, from tomes, crafted gear strength, raid drops, and so on. Whether it happens or not, to outright rule out the possibility is foolish.

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If they don't delay tomestone, I'm personally ok with delaying Savage, but again, there are Savage raiders who don't want a delay either. So it's not like it's a win-win argument there either regardless.

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I'm sure there's people that didn't want the new Ishgard and Relic content delayed either but here we are.