SMN Why don't we hear about egi glamours anymore?

Hi. Sarantai here. Nice to meet you. Unless we’ve already met.

I’ll just go ahead and say that I want Egi’s to stick around, mainly because I am a Roleplayer and use them extensively in my RP. Please do not take my grumpy Titan from me.

In other news, has anyone ever thought of some new ability/mechanic/phase of rotation where We become primals? Like, Shiva or Tsukuyomi. Thordan, too. We’ve seen it done several times already, and since we’re summoning Bahamut and Phoenix these days it seems like that would be the next step. Become a primal for a period of time, do mega-damage, then change back.

Dreadwyrm Trance was the "becoming Primal" option in HW and the reception was... divisive. There's a reason why they gave us the ability to Summon Bahamut in Stormblood.

honestly i'd put "becoming" the thing more in the realm of BLU (in other games), beastmaster/morpher (such as in FFTA), or mime/mimic, and feel that summoner should be actively summoning things more and less of a poisoncaster as it is (personally i'd like to see more different summons being implemented into the animations of other skills, such as changing bio to a burning DoT from ifrit or somesuch).

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Originally Posted by Leidolf

Dreadwyrm Trance was the "becoming Primal" option in HW and the reception was... divisive. There's a reason why they gave us the ability to Summon Bahamut in Stormblood.

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TBF that didn't involve any transformation, so any "becoming primal" flavor was too subtle to be noticed by few

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Originally Posted by SpiralMask

honestly i'd put "becoming" the thing more in the realm of BLU (in other games), beastmaster/morpher (such as in FFTA), or mime/mimic, and feel that summoner should be actively summoning things more and less of a poisoncaster as it is (personally i'd like to see more different summons being implemented into the animations of other skills, such as changing bio to a burning DoT from ifrit or somesuch).

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I've always thought the Trances were pretty much this, and that may be rather than the weird disembodied head that manifests for DWT we should instead have the LB wings manifest for the duration of the trance and then have something similar for phoenix. I think the trances were akin to Iceheart summoning shiva into herself as they are effectively channelling the essence of Bahamut and phoenix within.

It is also why I am hopeful for our next Demi/trance to be Innocence as it is also one of those that lore-wise we have actually fully encountered. If we look at the MSQ encounters we have:

Garuda*
Titan*
Ifrit*

Shiva**
Bismark
Ravana
Tsukuyomi
Lakshmi
Susano
All Lightwardens

*Garuda, Titan and Ifrit I have included, though I hope we do not get these although the third Demi being a demi version of the currently summoned Egi would be pretty cool - though I feel it would also be a bit lacklustre as we've had so much of them already.
**Shiva included as we were present when Ravana defeated her and when she died, so, therefore, we could technically be bathed in her "essence" allowing us to summon them

Omissions: Niddhog - he's not really a primal and its suggested that his essence has taken residence within Estiniens weapon.

This list is comprised only of those we would face in the MSQ. I don't know if we can include those we have fought in side quests as potential summons.

I think it is logical we got phoenix as Bahamut and phoenix's Aether was intertwined and scattered when Bahamut was originally defeated, thus meaning everyone got a bit of it.

edit: added clarification around why Niddhog omitted.

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Originally Posted by Anvaire

I've always thought the Trances were pretty much this, and that may be rather than the weird disembodied head that manifests for DWT we should instead have the LB wings manifest for the duration of the trance and then have something similar for phoenix. I think the trances were akin to Iceheart summoning shiva into herself as they are effectively channelling the essence of Bahamut and phoenix within.

It is also why I am hopeful for our next Demi/trance to be Innocence as it is also one of those that lore-wise we have actually fully encountered. If we look at the MSQ encounters we have:

Garuda*
Titan*
Ifrit*

Shiva**
Bismark
Ravana
Tsukuyomi
Lakshmi
Susano
All Lightwardens

*Garuda, Titan and Ifrit I have included, though I hope we do not get these although the third Demi being a demi version of the currently summoned Egi would be pretty cool - though I feel it would also be a bit lacklustre as we've had so much of them already.
**Shiva included as we were present when Ravana defeated her and when she died, so, therefore, we could technically be bathed in her "essence" allowing us to summon them

Omissions: Niddhog - he's not really a primal and its suggested that his essence has taken residence within Estiniens weapon.

This list is comprised only of those we would face in the MSQ. I don't know if we can include those we have fought in side quests as potential summons.

I think it is logical we got phoenix as Bahamut and phoenix's Aether was intertwined and scattered when Bahamut was originally defeated, thus meaning everyone got a bit of it.

edit: added clarification around why Niddhog omitted.

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i'd say at least the warring triad would be safe to include (even as side content), since we've already seen at least sephirot-egi in the SMN class quests.
alex might be available as he shows up in a raid tier (much like pheonix) and his presence is even called out in main content (the tycoon boss was constructed using principles from alex/omega/etc)

Aye I did consider Alexander, but then I realised while he was referred to indirectly in the Twinning, for all purposes we may not have encountered him. The reason we got Bahamut and Phoenix was due to the 1.0 > 2.0 Event that everyone was involved in. Which is why I think that Alexander is unlikely to be included. Then again I think the devs generally go with what is cool and bend the lore to fix it later. I suppose I'm a bit against Alexander (Even though usually he is one of my favourite summons) as I think a machine Demi would be a bit odd. (and Mch has that aesthetic now anyway though of course, Alex is a whole different thing to Queen). Theres the added fact that all of Alex's moves are bright white blasts which I think aesthetically is too similar to Ank Morn and Deathflare. (And I really, really, really, really, really want a demi innocence.)

I would like a more literal transformation. I don’t know how complicated it would be, but they let us switch models in other events. The Halloween ones come to mind especially. Would there be any problems with doing that I’m unaware of?

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Originally Posted by Sarantai

I would like a more literal transformation. I don’t know how complicated it would be, but they let us switch models in other events. The Halloween ones come to mind especially. Would there be any problems with doing that I’m unaware of?

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My guess would be the worsening of problems that already exist when hundreds of players gather in one place with their minions, mounts and chocobos.

Which might also be part of the reason the whole "LSs can summon primals thing" was scrapped

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Originally Posted by Sarantai

I would like a more literal transformation. I don’t know how complicated it would be, but they let us switch models in other events. The Halloween ones come to mind especially. Would there be any problems with doing that I’m unaware of?

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I think literal transformations would be problematic lore-wise, but also in that its another system added onto the job when it is already bulging at the seams. Equally, it couldn't just be a model swap as we would need thematic animations. That said I think if they added to the lore they could make a pretty cool addition as long it was more meaningful to just a visual effect.