Can we please ban advertisements for selling clears from PF?

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

They wouldn't be "innocent" if they were performing actions that were against the revised ToS. You say "innocent" but then the ads you show both already violate the ToS as it is now as account piloting (required for Ultimates, BA and Eureka) is prohibited. I don't think I've seen a single "legit" ad since the expansion launched.

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Thats exactly my point. I'm saying that creating this change would make currently completely innocent people a victim of persecution. The attitude of many people towards their wishes for the ToS is scarily totalitarian.

The people in the image, by virtue of the image alone are breaking no rules in the slightest (other than maybe posting in the wrong section - which IMO is hardly a bannable offence), there is no mention of RMT, and no mention of anything unsavoury in the slightest (if you could point me to hard evidence of account piloting I would be impressed). While yes you are right that once you get outside of game things will likely become RMT and against ToS, that is entirely an assumption on your part, and creating a ToS rule based on the potential of wrongdoing rather than the wrongdoing itself is a really bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

creating a ToS rule based on the potential of wrongdoing rather than the wrongdoing itself is a really bad thing.

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How? If SE changed the rules you wouldn't see any complaints. Look at this thread. The few people saying the rules should remain as is claim they themselves don't do it so any change wouldn't even affect them. The OP has 49 likes at this time and I'm sure I could pull up a bunch of OF and reddit threads expressing the same sentiment over the past few years that would dwarf any number of these imaginary legit sellers.

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

How? If SE changed the rules you wouldn't see any complaints.

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You actually got a laugh out of me. Nobody would complain? Sure, ok https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...m_source=share

This was for minor ToS changes (that muddied the waters and confused players as to what is right and wrong), and you think that your agenda won't cause complaints? FYI that thread has far more traffic than the 49 likes of this thread, which does not have downvotes to verify the validity.

I actually don't know what you want put in the ToS come to think of it. I know who you want to target, but what exactly would you prohibit? Be specific in your wording, and forget about your prejudice and assumptions, because you are willfully ignoring the base fact that burden of proof is on you, and the ToS would need to be written as such.

Minor edit: Going through the post, I realise that I seem to have a higher ratio of likes than people refuting and countering me. How does that factor into your idea that likes on this forum matter in the slightest?

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

You actually got a laugh out of me. Nobody would complain? Sure, ok https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...m_source=share

This was for minor ToS changes (that muddied the waters and confused players as to what is right and wrong), and you think that your agenda won't cause complaints? FYI that thread has far more traffic than the 49 likes of this thread, which does not have downvotes to verify the validity.

I actually don't know what you want put in the ToS come to think of it. I know who you want to target, but what exactly would you prohibit? Be specific in your wording, and forget about your prejudice and assumptions, because you are willfully ignoring the base fact that burden of proof is on you, and the ToS would need to be written as such.

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Nah, ban em. Ban em all I say. If you can't do it yourself, just stop playing.

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

How? If SE changed the rules you wouldn't see any complaints. Look at this thread. The few people saying the rules should remain as is claim they themselves don't do it so any change wouldn't even affect them. The OP has 49 likes at this time and I'm sure I could pull up a bunch of OF and reddit threads expressing the same sentiment over the past few years that would dwarf any number of these imaginary legit sellers.

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Are you new around here? People complain a lot about that SEs rules are too strict. People cry about not being allowed to drop F-bombs and deliver slurs like santa delivers gifts at Christmas. I can only Imagine How they would react to not being allowed to link their FC discords so they effectively would be infunctional.

They should just make a blanket statement barring the selling of anything in party finder.

If people want to sell content they can keep on Reddit, in shout chat, etc.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

They should just make a blanket statement barring the selling of anything in party finder.

If people want to sell content they can keep on Reddit, in shout chat, etc.

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I don’t know about you, But I 100% rather see this in PF than in shout chat. It is less of an annoyence in PF where you can easily filter for what you want rather than Shout where everyone has to read everything unless you directly shut it down, and there needs to be a way in game to sell services if you want a balanced market. What you suggest is the same as removing MB forcing people to go to lolReddit to sell crafted gear and furniture.

I'd rather they be spamming in public chat channels since you can at least blacklist them to get them out of your hair completely.

Blacklisting them does not remove their ads from the PF listing, it just keeps you from joining their party.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Blacklisting them does not remove their ads from the PF listing, it just keeps you from joining their party.

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Then ask for this change rather than advocating a harmful change in ToS. RMT always finds a way, and we cannot create a system of total censorship in order to counter it, and having the kind of attitude that wants everyone you don't like to be banned is actually far more harmful than the RMT itself.


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Originally Posted by Endeleon

Nah, ban em. Ban em all I say. If you can't do it yourself, just stop playing.

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That and the ability to blacklist them without having to physically travel to their server and player search them first would be nice. Though it wouldn't surprise me at all if it ended up being impossible due to the game's archaic coding.

I'm just getting really sick of seeing the same guy posting his content-selling ads in PF since early Stormblood.