Disheartened healer annoyed with Shadowbringers' difficulty

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

AST is not currently a capable class.

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Ast is perfectly capable. I can heal perfectly while still dpsing.
Ast is weaker then before, yes, Ast is clunky, Ast need multiple ressources to archive the same result as the 2 others healers yes. Ast need to be buffed and fixed yes.
But saying he's not capable is definitly wrong. It needs you to be more proactive on your healing cooldown because they are weaker or they need a better timing to be used.

He's not as broken as he used to on its first iteration in HW.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

He's not as broken as he used to on its first iteration in HW.

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Not even close to that and even then you could do everything with an AST. We did A1-4 Savage with AST/SCH for example.

I started healing in Guild Wars 1 around the start of 2005. I stayed a healer main until 2007 in WoW when my guild’s main tank left WoW as his farm went into foreclosure (he gave almost no notice but a year later he returned and we learned he had managed to save things and get out from under a bad situation). In response as Guild leader I filled the role somewhat poorly at first but eventually took to tanking.

What I am liking right now, at level 74 of SCH, I don’t expect to last.

But it is also what you complain about.

Healing is hard.

It is hard to keep them up, just like it was hard on my monk and ritualist in Guild Wars 1’s early days. Just like it was as a Resto Druid in the first few years of WoW.

Keep healing all the time, follow mechanics, and be ready to amp it up when a team member takes an unexpectedly too big of a hit.

Healing has challenge now.

I expect this to either go away once I have gear or a patch fixes healing to be casual again... But while the good times last, I will enjoy them. I like content where I can barely manage to keep the group up, and even fail at it often. I don’t want it to be easy again...

But I fear that in 6 levels, I will be back to 85% DPSing and 13% AFK, and 2% OGCD heals... and when that happens at least I will have the tank and the dancer to play instead.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

I started healing in Guild Wars 1 around the start of 2005. I stayed a healer main until 2007 in WoW when my guild’s main tank left WoW as his farm went into foreclosure (he gave almost no notice but a year later he returned and we learned he had managed to save things and get out from under a bad situation). In response as Guild leader I filled the role somewhat poorly at first but eventually took to tanking.

What I am liking right now, at level 74 of SCH, I don’t expect to last.

But it is also what you complain about.

Healing is hard.

It is hard to keep them up, just like it was hard on my monk and ritualist in Guild Wars 1’s early days. Just like it was as a Resto Druid in the first few years of WoW.

Keep healing all the time, follow mechanics, and be ready to amp it up when a team member takes an unexpectedly too big of a hit.

Healing has challenge now.

I expect this to either go away once I have gear or a patch fixes healing to be casual again... But while the good times last, I will enjoy them. I like content where I can barely manage to keep the group up, and even fail at it often. I don’t want it to be easy again...

But I fear that in 6 levels, I will be back to 85% DPSing and 13% AFK, and 2% OGCD heals... and when that happens at least I will have the tank and the dancer to play instead.

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TBH, even at 74 if you’re finding healing on a SCH hard you’re either getting extremely unlucky with party members, aren’t playing the job well, or both. On trash there should be no reason you can’t spend a majority of your time hitting AoW (and weaving in your healing skills), and bosses are always trivial in dungeons.

I think there are several factors at play that make it hard to heal in new expacs. One is that the gear people are wearing isn't the best anymore. Tanks are softer than they're used to being, even though they often zerg big chains. Because that's the expectation now. There's also bound to be a lot of new GNB tanks that aren't geared or as familiar with the class, or even tanking. A lot of non-tank players are giving tanking a try because of GNB.

MP is also tighter than before, so that adds a layer of difficulty to healing.

My advice is to just stick it out. It gets better quickly. Also, skip Aero on zerg runs and think of Holy not as DPS, but another kind of healing. The Stun from Holy amounts to quite a bit of damage the tank never takes, so you don't have to heal him/her. It's like D&D. Healing is actually pretty inefficient, so damage mitigation through control effects is always better. Afflatus Solace is also such a great ability.

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Originally Posted by Jerichai

TBH, even at 74 if you’re finding healing on a SCH hard you’re either getting extremely unlucky with party members, aren’t playing the job well, or both. On trash there should be no reason you can’t spend a majority of your time hitting AoW (and weaving in your healing skills), and bosses are always trivial in dungeons.

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I think you managed to misrepresent or at least misunderstand my point there about as much as one possibly could.

pls stop making threads like this, this game is already way to easy and still some1 have problem with passing dungeons ? wtf happen to gaming this days

0 problems here to keep tank alive even without maxed gear with pulls from wall to wall, sure I had to heal more but this is no problem to me when im not dpsing

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Originally Posted by Zoberraz

HOW?! Why can anyone justify the added risk of being under fire by a lot more enemies with AoE skills that have a pretty sharp diminishing return for a kill time that's barely any better than fighting single groups (in which I might at least be able to contribute DPS, slightly, as the mobs die and the damage dwindles down).

"Get good, scrub."

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Said it yourself, I get tired of seeing scrubs who want to dps and not do their role as a healer which was part of the reason Yoshi P said Healers werent designed for dps and I agree if you want to dps role a dps class not a support, same can be said for statics relying on healers to add dps if your dps as a whole is relying on your healers to contribute to the damage with their measly output your dps is failing your group plain and simple. Healing is easy very easy it's only hard for the derps who can't untrain that mindset of dpsing between healing now your required to do your role more often......

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Originally Posted by Shizzle

Said it yourself, I get tired of seeing scrubs who want to dps and not do their role as a healer which was part of the reason Yoshi P said Healers werent designed for dps and I agree if you want to dps role a dps class not a support, same can be said for statics relying on healers to add dps if your dps as a whole is relying on your healers to contribute to the damage with their measly output your dps is failing your group plain and simple. Healing is easy very easy it's only hard for the derps who can't untrain that mindset of dpsing between healing now your required to do your role more often......

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... do you realize White Mage can currently out-DPS all four tanks, yes? Even with how weak Astro currently is, it and Scholar still combined for roughly 10-11k. Considering those numbers are roughly where half the DPS jobs are... I guess a lot of jobs contribute "measly output."

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Originally Posted by Shizzle

Said it yourself, I get tired of seeing scrubs who want to dps and not do their role as a healer which was part of the reason Yoshi P said Healers werent designed for dps and I agree if you want to dps role a dps class not a support, same can be said for statics relying on healers to add dps if your dps as a whole is relying on your healers to contribute to the damage with their measly output your dps is failing your group plain and simple. Healing is easy very easy it's only hard for the derps who can't untrain that mindset of dpsing between healing now your required to do your role more often......

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Of course it's easy if you AFK half the fight or drop your biggest cures on every auto-attack. That's like saying it's easy if you just auto-attack on DPS, or that you just have to toss out a combo or two on tank and then you're free to AFK the whole fight.