[Lighthouse Spoilers] Can we please stop with the stupid fetch quests?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

What hyperbole? It's very odd that accusing me of using them

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It is, after all, an RPG. Perhaps some 'instant unlock' potions can be sold on the Mog Station for people such as yourself, though?

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Originally Posted by The Dictionary

hy·per·bo·le
hīˈpərbəlē
noun
—exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

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I mean, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

If the developers were insistent on putting this fetch quest chain in the game, then why not have it after the alliance raid? Because there were already several lengthy cutscenes before. Why drill more dialogue into people’s heads? Especially dialogue that, in no way, impacted the actual storyline and could be removed entirely with little to no detriment.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Criticising a pointless side quest apparently means we want instant unlock jump potions. Welcome to hyperbole. What we want is to not have a random fetch quest that distracts from the actual story just to make an obscure reference many players aren't even going to notice.

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It's hyperbole because it isn't pointless. The concerns raised suggest it is in no way relevant to Ivalice...except it is, because it ties in with Ivalice for the reasons I stated. It also doesn't take very long at all to unlock and all the quest points are a mere stone's throw away from aetherytes.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I mean, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

If the developers were insistent on putting this fetch quest chain in the game, then why not have it after the alliance raid? Because there were already several lengthy cutscenes before. Why drill more dialogue into people’s heads? Especially dialogue that, in no way, impacted the actual storyline and could be removed entirely with little to no detriment.

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It did impact the storyline, since it fleshed out Ivalice lore further. Personally I'm glad that there was more depth to the unlock quests this time around - some of the others have felt rather short and rushed.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It did impact the storyline, since it fleshed out Ivalice lore further. Personally I'm glad that there was more depth to the unlock quests this time around - some of the others have felt rather short and rushed.

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You could completely remove it, and there would be no difference. That’s the complete opposite of impact, unless you are considering negative impact. This one dragged on, and the slow development overstayed its welcome, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It did impact the storyline, since it fleshed out Ivalice lore further. Personally I'm glad that there was more depth to the unlock quests this time around - some of the others have felt rather short and rushed.

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I respectfully disagree that the fetch quest fleshed out the lore. If knowing the Dalmascan wine was now so rare as to be almost nonexistent was a clue that led Ramza to his discovery that Ridorana was above Goug, I might be able to believe that. But it wasn't. In the end, we got the Rose because Dramaturge wanted it to give to his wife for their anniversary, completely and wholly unnoticed by the main case of RtI.

Was it a neat chain? I think it was. I just wish it was an optional sidequest or a quest for after the raid happened.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

You could completely remove it, and there would be no difference. That’s the complete opposite of impact, unless you are considering negative impact. This one dragged on, and the slow development overstayed its welcome, in my opinion.

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There would be a difference. Again, the entire thing is a love letter to Ivalice fans. It added more references and tied some of the existing references to FFXIV's version of 'Ivalice' together rather nicely. It took a matter of minutes to complete and every aspect of the raid and content surrounding it has never been advertised as anything but a love letter to Ivalice fans. If you don't enjoy it, that's fine - but you only ever have to do the quest once. I'm sure there's far more tedious tasks that you'll be doing. Running the same duties over and over for a specific piece of loot, perhaps?

Theodric, I haven't played the Ivalice games so I wouldn't catch references, but the fetchquest didn't seem to add any information about Ivalice for me. (As I said before, it did have a link by way of confirming that Drest is Dalmascan, but that's about him, not the place.) As much as I didn't mind it overall, it feels more like a MSQ quest with its recurring characters from earlier in the story, than being relevant to the separate group of Ivalice characters and their lore.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There would be a difference. Again, the entire thing is a love letter to Ivalice fans. It added more references and tied some of the existing references to FFXIV's version of 'Ivalice' together rather nicely. It took a matter of minutes to complete and every aspect of the raid and content surrounding it has never been advertised as anything but a love letter to Ivalice fans. If you don't enjoy it, that's fine - but you only ever have to do the quest once. I'm sure there's far more tedious tasks that you'll be doing. Running the same duties over and over for a specific piece of loot, perhaps?

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I disagree that there would be a difference.

As I said before, if they were insistent on putting this in the storyline, they could have put it in AFTER the raid, or, as Dualgunner suggested, as an OPTIONAL quest chain for interested parties, which fits in even better considering it was meant as a tribute to Ivalice fans, as you said—let people who want the love letter do it, and let others that don’t particularly want it skip it without locking content behind it. I love the lore in this game, but I could not stand that quest chain. It was pointless, in my opinion, and I was not interested in the least.

Re: running content for loot—at least I’m getting something worthwhile out of it. There was nothing worthwhile in fetching wine for people.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Theodric, I haven't played the Ivalice games so I wouldn't catch references, but the fetchquest didn't seem to add any information about Ivalice for me. (As I said before, it did have a link by way of confirming that Drest is Dalmascan, but that's about him, not the place.) As much as I didn't mind it overall, it feels more like a MSQ quest with its recurring characters from earlier in the story, than being relevant to the separate group of Ivalice characters and their lore.

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That's fine. If you didn't play the games, you're not the target audience and thus won't appreciate the references. Even so, it's a very minor blip on anybody's radar - you'll never have to do that quest again unless you have alts...and even then you can just skip the cutscenes. How is this a hindrance in the same level as the old days of ARR when 'fetch quests' dragged on as a lengthy quest chain, including having to do a dungeon before completing them? It's a massive overreaction.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I disagree that there would be a difference.

As I said before, if they were insistent on putting this in the storyline, they could have put it in AFTER the raid, or, as Dualgunner suggested, as an OPTIONAL quest chain for interested parties, which fits in even better considering it was meant as a tribute to Ivalice fans, as you said—let people who want the love letter do it, and let others that don’t particularly want it skip it without locking content behind it. I love the lore in this game, but I could not stand that quest chain. It was pointless, in my opinion, and I was not interested in the least.

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It wasn't pointless, though. It doesn't particularly matter where it was placed - as an optional quest or not. What matters is that's it part of the full experience for Ivalice fans who are the primary target audience for the overall raid scenarios.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

You'll never have to do that quest again unless you have alts...and even then you can just skip the cutscenes. How is this a hindrance in the same level as the old days of ARR when 'fetch quests' dragged on as a lengthy quest chain, including having to do a dungeon before completing them? It's a massive overreaction.

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Technically, your logic of “you only have to do it once!” applies to 2.x as well. Which I also took issue with when I did it the first time around.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It wasn't pointless, though. It doesn't particularly matter where it was placed - as an optional quest or not. What matters is that's it part of the full experience for Ivalice fans who are the primary target audience for the overall raid scenarios.

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I disagree. It was pointless to me. I didn’t like it; I didn’t play FFXII, and this “fleshing out of the Ivalice lore” love letter was of little to no value to me. There are probably plenty of others that also haven’t played FFXII, and therefore would not catch the hint, nor care to. Hence why it being an optional quest would have worked better.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's hyperbole because it isn't pointless. The concerns raised suggest it is in no way relevant to Ivalice...except it is, because it ties in with Ivalice for the reasons I stated. It also doesn't take very long at all to unlock and all the quest points are a mere stone's throw away from aetherytes.

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And yet your response to people disliking the quest was to make a snide remark about skip potions. That's the hyperbolic part. Regardless, a vague reference does not abruptly make a side quest any more relevant. It remains pointless to the actual Ivalice story. Likewise, saying it doesn't take long ignores why people dislike the quest. A good reference doesn't annoy people, or make the want to skip ahead. Put simply, 90% of the quest is utterly irrelevant. That 10% with an obscure tie-in doesn't change the fact the remainder of the quest did little beyond waste time so they can make yet another tired joke about how gullible we are.