Liveblog JP - Yoshi P's 4.2 Housing Plan Discussion

Whatever they choose to do, he mentions a restriction of some sort, and says:

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The reason why we do not want to disclose any detail is that we want to give a fair chance to everyone. If we told you our plans, players will immediately start to prepare and we want to avoid that.

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Which is exactly why i got rid of all but one of my personal houses, I would bet that house reselling is coming to an end with a new timer placed on a plot after its relinquished either manually or by 45 days of no activity, to prevent the reselling happening altogether, and relocation reselling as well.

Why would they be so concerned about reselling when the real issue is, there's simply enough enough houses? If we had the appropriate amount of housing, there theoretically won't be any more resellers. (Unless of course you want me to harp on like a broken record about the ratio of small:medium:large houses per ward...)

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

There's no hint of rising or dropping and the type of speculation is very different if you can't tell if prices will drop or rise. That's why they don't put items and recipe lists on prelim patch notes. Sometimes a mat gets added to a recipe and the price skyrockets, sometimes it gets added to like Company Seals and the price tanks. saying changes are coming does not automatically trigger actions if you are vague about what the changes are.

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Again you are ignoring one key factor, the only place housing is a problem is where there is no available plots. Therefore, unless the devs are turbo powered stupid, plans are going to be put in place to cause portions of CURRENT DEMANDS to drop. Obviously doing something to INCREASE demand when they already can't meet it would also be quite ill advised. And since you seem to be one of the people who think YoshiP can do no wrong you would be willing to accept the premise of lowering current demands opposed to the latter.

By saying property speculation is possible, he has confirmed the way current demand is handled is going to be changed after the update that doesn't not include simply adding additional wards since he already confirmed as much, so more wards can not be part of this potential speculation. Something in addition to more wards is going to be implemented to handle demand, and its going to be different than more supply leaving only a change to fundamentally lower demand. This means house flippers, players who own multiple houses and possibly 'excessive vacancies' or underused plots are potential targets and those people are now 'speculating' on property. All because he said he did not want to fuel speculation.

Unless he means the 'conjecture' which has also been fueled.

Saying something akin to "We don't want to reveal details yet because it will change things dramatically" pretty much guarantees people are preparing from multiple angles.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

This is more accurate:
"if I reveal my companies plans for the future the stock will change"

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Which would instantly cause the stock to change. It happens all. the. time.

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Originally Posted by Acilith

Why would they be so concerned about reselling when the real issue is, there's simply enough enough houses?

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Because people reselling for profit is part of the reason why there isn't enough houses. Therefore if demand is an issue, so is reselling.

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Originally Posted by Scardon

Because people reselling for profit is part of the reason why there isn't enough houses. Therefore if demand is an issue, so is reselling.

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Right, so tackling the demand issue is the best way to get rid of the reseller issue. For every single suggestion to 'kill the flippers', I kinda tilt my head and easily think of ways to get around it. And I also squint because most of these suggestions hurt honest players.

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Originally Posted by Acilith

Right, so tackling the demand issue is the best way to get rid of the reseller issue. For every single suggestion to 'kill the flippers', I kinda tilt my head and easily think of ways to get around it. And I also squint because most of these suggestions hurt honest players.

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There is no system someone can't beat, the point is to make it as cumbersome as possible TO beat, therefore making it much less frequent. The fact a plan isn't 100% effective doesn't mean its invalid.

They have made it clear repeatedly they simply can't increase demand so dramatically as to both easily meet legitimate demand as well as anyone trying to flip houses. This means simply saying 'moar plotz' is a waste of time. So if more supply can not be created, illegitimate demand (profiteering) must be deterred.

I still hold out hope for 1 plot per server, per account. Players being completely deprived of housing is far more 'harmful' than players no long being able to control multiple plots. Both to players and profits since homeless people who desire plots FAR outweigh the extremely small minority of multi-plot owners.

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Originally Posted by Scardon

There is no system someone can't beat,the point is to make it as cumbersome as possible TO beat, therefore making it much less frequent. The fact a plan isn't 100% effective doesn't mean its invalid.

They have made it clear repeatedly they simply can't increase demand so dramatically as to both easily meet legitimate demand as well as anyone trying to flip houses. This means simply saying 'moar plotz' is a waste of time. So if more supply can not be created, illegitimate demand (profiteering) must be deterred.

I still hold out hope for 1 plot per server, per account. Players being completely deprived of housing is far more 'harmful' than players no long being able to control multiple plots. Both to players and profits since homeless people who desire plots FAR outweigh the extremely small minority of multi-plot owners.

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Thats total BS. SE has the money to buy enough servers to meet demand its there personal choice not to..... it can be done,its not a coding issue (which still could be fix) its a storage issuse so buy more stroage but they don't want to put the $$$ into it is all. The problem is everyone is willing to settle for small fixs . If these threads were add enough houses or our money is going else where once they seen enough people at that rage point they add more..

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Originally Posted by Siniztor

Thats total BS. SE has the money to buy enough servers to meet demand its there personal choice not to..... it can be done,its not a coding issue (which still could be fix) its a storage issuse so buy more stroage but they don't want to put the $$$ into it is all. The problem is everyone is willing to settle for small fixs . If these threads were add enough houses or our money is going else where once they seen enough people at that rage point they add more..

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Let me rephrase, not can't, won't. Them being conservative with servers is why multiple problems occur with the game over the entire existence. Server side combat lag, inventory restrictions, instance timers, bottle necking for MSQ steps, and housing to name a few. Yes, more hardware and bandwidth could solve these problems (while cutting into profits) but they would have already done it if they were open to the option. Its pretty clear part of their overall business plan is to keep the servers at a minimum. They even did it on FF11 for a time where they would purge inactive characters to free up space, one of the few MMO's that have ever done this as part of regular policy and not a 'one time' thing.

So again, simply demanding they add hardware to easily meet demands is a waste of time. You are demanding they change their entire business, cost/profit model for more in game housing. Even if they were some how convinced then something else about the game would fundamentally change to make up for it. P2W, having to pay extra for content updates, less content overall, overall quality drop. Something would have to give.

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Originally Posted by Scardon

Let me rephrase, not can't, won't.

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Thank you. one of my pet peves is people defending SE saying its impossable for them to add more when it boils down to just what you said in this reply cost/profit

I am for 1 house/FC and apt per server BUT, they should make it so your alts can save at your house also. They should also not make relocation and purchasing so cumbersome.

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Originally Posted by Scardon

Because people reselling for profit is part of the reason why there isn't enough houses. Therefore if demand is an issue, so is reselling.

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The #1 reason why there isn't enough houses is because there literally is not enough houses. Period. It doesn't matter if no one resold a house. There will never be enough houses with the current system.