Selling Runs and Clears

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Originally Posted by AppleJinx

Sometimes buying a clear doesn't necessarily mean you can't do the content yourself. In fact it's quite the contrary. Some people would resort to buying a clear since everyone else they run into in pf just happens to be incompetent so buying a clear just saves them from the frustration and salt down the road.

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Yup. In many runs I've sold the buyer actually want to play with us, which is fine as long they dont wipe the group and know the mechanics. In fact some players are so good we kept them and made them sell with us as well.

There are groups that hand over login information simply because it takes less time and effort. The margin of error for 7 manning is so slim that it's understandable. My group has been selling O4 for awhile as 7 though, it's manageable

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Originally Posted by CreinCrein

There are groups that hand over login information simply because it takes less time and effort. The margin of error for 7 manning are so slim it's understandable. My group has been selling O4 for awhile as 7 though, it's manageable

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Handling over login info is a TOS violation and a bannable offense, those types of clear sales could get people banned.

That doesn't stop people from doing it. Handle the transaction off-game via discord, email, etc and it's untraceable

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

Handling over login info is a TOS violation and a bannable offense, those types of clear sales could get people banned.

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I don't think SE will ban others because of that, unless someone else reports it. I don't think they are tracking people's accounts to see if they are being logged through different IPs. At most the automated system will send a warning to their owner stating that they should change their password.

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Originally Posted by CreinCrein

That doesn't stop people from doing it. Handle the transaction off-game via discord, email, etc and it's untraceable

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And that's exactly why some people are saying these listings should be barred from PF, not only people mis-list them under the wrong headings intentionally but selling Ultimate Coil makes it clear they are doing something against the TOS and should be banned.

Sure it's impossible to 7 man ultimate, but it's also impossible to prove that account sharing is happening through the sale. IMO ToS aside, people who have cleared ultimate can have free reign to sell however they want. As long as there is mutual benefit from the exchange I don't personally have any problem with it, similar to how ACT is a widespread benefit to the raiding community but against the ToS I guess.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

And that's exactly why some people are saying these listings should be barred from PF, not only people mis-list them under the wrong headings intentionally but selling Ultimate Coil makes it clear they are doing something against the TOS and should be banned.

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I concede my earlier stance; I've only ever actually participated in 7 man sells, I was unaware of the 8 man practice.

While I personally disagree with the idea kf banning them, if you feel this way then it sounds like you have a lot of reporting to do.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I concede my earlier stance; I've only ever actually participated in 7 man sells, I was unaware of the 8 man practice.

While I personally disagree with the idea kf banning them, if you feel this way then it sounds like you have a lot of reporting to do.

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Well like I said earlier it wouldn't bother me as much if people weren't intentionally mis-listing this stuff under Expert Roulette/Lakshimi Ex/etc and cluttering PF just because someone is skilled enough to sell clears doesn't give them the right to abuse PF.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

Well like I said earlier it wouldn't bother me as much if people weren't intentionally mis-listing this stuff under Expert Roulette/Lakshimi Ex/etc and cluttering PF just because someone is skilled enough to sell clears doesn't give them the right to abuse PF.

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Okay but who does that really harm? It's an annoyance at worst to unrelated and uninterested people.