Why no Plex system?

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Originally Posted by RainesS

Yes, it could work for people with tons of gils lying around, not for newcomers in ffxiv with little gil to spare, mind you. This will cause a disparity between new and veteran players.
And yes, SE is BAD at balancing things, so that's why it's bad to have PLEX cos econ reasons.
How bout earning extra money for paying ffxiv sub instead of whining in forums for PLEX system or mandatory mogstation items. /flex

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That's....typically how PLEX systems in any game that uses it works. Players with in game currency to burn buy PLEX from players who /choose/ to buy it to sell for said in game currency. It's a choice so there's really no disparity between both parties. Unless it goes back to the balance issues I'm concerned with here. It's it a choice to sell as a newer player or player with less funds to survive, or if it's forced to use if SE does indeed make up more gil sinks or long term investments to where gil is actually needed.

Sorry, my support for them in games where it does work doesn't mean I'm "whining" for one here. I have no problem paying my sub here and in two other games as well along with making real world ends meet, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Let me ask you then, don't you think a large scale crisis in the economy, lamented by almost ALL players would spur the devs to do something about it even faster than 3 months of posts in the forums? Do you think that if your "destroyed economy" happened they would just shrug and give up the game to the chaos?

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Nope:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...space-increase

Also the housing problem exists that they are unable to fix, so for now because of that, doubt they would be able to. (Housing shortage exists because of too low supply for the prices they give, so they got to hike the cost, or the supply. Given the track record to solve housing issues
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...dium-large-%29
what makes you think they can handle econ crises that may come out of introducing the plex system here? or comment on an issue with 200+ likes?) I would venture a guess it is why it is not in place, because they know how bad the econ is. They know enough that it will not work here. If they can't fix the econ without a flex system, with having the housing shortage, how in the heck would they be able fix it with one? O_o

But if you insist in giving more econ power to people like me I am all for it, hurt most of the people in the game long term effect, so just be careful what ya wish for. I do find it odd how you can't give econ arguments back in why it can support it or not. Keep in mind I am not the only one that basically said gil is worthless so making this plex system isn't a good idea:

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Originally Posted by Clawbriar

The only reason I'm against this is because gil is not a necessity, especially if you don't craft or gather. The average Joe player does not really need bags of gold to sustain themselves. The vast majority of battle content means you aren't using gil for anything but teleporting and repairing. Hell, the game even offers you materia on a plate.

It's a good idea to combat botting and unsanctioned RMT, but the sort of people who would benefit from this... don't really seem to need it in the first place.

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I would love a Plex-like system. Games I've seen this work marvelously in include the aforementioned Eve, TERA, Rift, WildStar, WoW, Guild Wars 2, ArcheAge... probably more that I don't know about. Rift, GW2, and WoW also let you take your gold and convert it into cash shop currency, which means not only can you pay for your subscription if you want, you can buy other things off the shop as well.

It doesn't really hurt the economy at all.

I would prefer to not have a plex system in place.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

What you think will happen when you throw in legal RMT in the mix of a really bad shortage like that? There are people that have an insane amount of gil stockpiles, and what do you think will happen if you put that in circulation?

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One of the reasons (if not THE reason) people have these "insane stockpiles" of gil is due to RMT bots farming up massive amounts of gil, which in turn causes rampant inflation.

Curbing RMT makes in-game prices go back to being reasonable because once all of the excess money has left the market, there aren't as many RMT bots around to cause inflation.

There is no additional currency being generated via plex, it's just one player giving money to another player.

In the case of RMT, automated programs are literally left running for the specific purpose of generating mountains of gil to sell to players. Subtract this gil and things would be better all around.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

what makes you think they can handle econ crises that may come out of introducing the plex system here? or comment on an issue with 200+ likes?)

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First of all, them commenting on threads has zero correlation to how they handle the economy.

Second, if they want to add more gil sinks, like I said earlier, just throw some 50 million gil mounts on a vendor somewhere (like WoW did).

Third, there won't be an economic crisis. There wasn't one in EVE, there wasn't one in WoW, and there won't be one here.

Stop "Chicken Littling".

Allow me to now picture how much people would charge for 30days via plex... 25... 30million gil? 55million gil?

Your soul?

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Originally Posted by Lokier

Allow me to now picture how much people would charge for 30days via plex... 25... 30million gil? 55million gil?

Your soul?

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Blizzard controls the pricing of their plex system to ensure the in-game prices never skyrocket to unrealistic numbers.

Beyond that, it's market driven and can rise and fall as market demand changes.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I would love a Plex-like system. Games I've seen this work marvelously in include the aforementioned Eve, TERA, Rift, WildStar, WoW, Guild Wars 2, ArcheAge... probably more that I don't know about. Rift, GW2, and WoW also let you take your gold and convert it into cash shop currency, which means not only can you pay for your subscription if you want, you can buy other things off the shop as well.

It doesn't really hurt the economy at all.

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Do any of those have a housing shortage? If not, then my point stands. It will cause problems and make the housing situation worse. Different game, different econ, just because those games know how make a good econ for it, does not mean this game can support it.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

Stop "Chicken Littling".

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I am not, I am answering a question:
Why no Plex system?
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The game's econ can't support it.

Also you are wrong about RMT. People have stockpiles of gil because there is NOTHING to do with it. This has been a problem since 2.0 (1.0 had different problems but at least it had a more active econ) So there are people like me that craft just because they like to, not many do. Personality differences, all it is.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

But if you insist in giving more econ power to people like me I am all for it, hurt most of the people in the game long term effect, so just be careful what ya wish for. I do find it odd how you can't give econ arguments back in why it can support it or not. Keep in mind I am not the only one that basically said gil is worthless so making this plex system isn't a good idea:

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Your reasoning: I cannot quote exact numbers to show the economy can support it so I'm wrong. Someone else said gil is worthless, so I'm wrong.


People have also said: Mogstation is bad. Royal Menagerie is too hard. Housing is fine how it is. Savage raids are too easy(and too hard). People say stuff a lot on this forum. All of these comments have likes and support.

You're saying that if PLEX is introduced, the piles of gil that people like you have hoarded will hit the economy and destroy it right? My stance is you cannot know that. We are a vocal minority here, almost every argument made here doesn't represent the majority of players.

What giant power do you think you'll have over the economy if PLEX is released? You'll buy a whole bunch of PLEX cheap when it comes out because the value wont be really known yet to players, then when it rises you'll sell them all for a huge profit and.. what? Now you have the lions share of the "worthless" gil to do what? Prices will inflate, people will sell items at these new "inflated" prices and things will have about the same value to everyone. New players will get their gear from quests and dungeons, Old players will have things to sell at new ridiculous prices and be able to afford the new ridiculous prices.
This is what I've always seen happen with currency infusions.

Housing shortage isn't relevant. Stop conflating the two issues.

Seems silly to say that the game's economy cannot support it, while also saying that people have stockpiles of gil because gil is useless. Would this not be a use for that gil?