Its time to remove job-based glamour restrictions.

"Certain jobs have a certain look."
We've had bikini/subligar tanks for a long time as well as snowman ____.

Let's just remove job based restrictions already. I'm still wishing they could at least have it where even Fending classes can wear any of that aesthetic. Or have Fending items not have to be constantly reworked cause I put a job-specific glamor onto my Fending gear.

As a healer main, IMHO we have some of the ugliest gear in the game. The light colored robe aesthetic is very tired. I would love to be able to use some of the more interesting caster gear. Usually they have a recolor of ours but at least when there is variation they usually have the better set than yet another Healer Nightgown.

well pagos shows we can live with it. I think it's time to go full ham on removing these restrictions.

I like it the way it is right now. The casual stuff like shirts and shorts or whatever are not job-specific, anyone can wear those. When you wear mage robes, or tanking armor, or leather, you have to match it to your job. If I see a healer wearing full tanking armor it would look at bit strange.

THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN

I am a huge glamour enthusiast, so huge that I in fact have 4 alts, all different races, just so I can try as many combinations on as many models as I can, and I see so many Armour pieces that I think would look better on a different class. For example, one of my alts is a Hyur female, who I am trying to glamour into Lenneth, but alas, a certain headpiece and bottom piece I wanna use is restricted to DRG and MNK/SAM respectively.

I get that some people like to (whine) stay loyal to class identity, but that concept has been dead for years. But, to somewhat alleviate this problem, my idea is that remove glam restrictions between classes in the same armor class and one armor class lower, for example, let Tanks glam DRG armor, let DRG's glam MNK/SAM/NIN armors, and let MNK/SAM/NIN's glam each others as well as rangers armor...maybe even caster, and let Casters and Rangers glam each others armors. Let me emphasize that this is NOT what we want, but it WILL give many many many more options for us to use, cause right now it really is extremely restrictive.

But in reality, these restriction walls are completely obsolete already, seeing as most armors now literally look the same! for example lvl 68 maiming, scouting and striking gears looks exactly the same, except some color differences, lvl 66 fending and maiming gears looks almost identical, except the helmet and armor kilt. Even lvl 70 dungeon armors look freaking identical, except small changes, and now, the new 4.5 dungeons armors ALL look the same!

And crafter/gatherer gear should be glamable by ALL classes.

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Originally Posted by DeepbloodEclipse

I am a huge glamour enthusiast, so huge that I in fact have 4 alts, all different races, just so I can try as many combinations on as many models as I can

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Hello fellow glamour-alt-o-holic... I also have four characters (main + three alts) and yes it's lots of fun finding the right costumes for each! :)



I don't think your idea would probably work with their programming though. As I wrote (in maybe too much detail) earlier in the discussion, I'm pretty sure it's an "all or nothing" approach and it can only work based on what classes are allowed to equip the item. I don't think they can unlock it to some additional classes but not others. I suspect either everything stays locked down to its designated class or gets thrown 100% open - nothing inbetween, and no way to apply "special exceptions" to stop artifact gear from getting glamoured onto other classes. I think that's the key reason why everything remains locked.

I think that's also why a lot of the "less role-defined" gear does start to share designs in different directions - they're not so worried about those things being interchangeable between classes. I'm pretty sure the relic armour is what they're really worried about for role identity.



And if you try to get around that by changing the gear to be equippable by the other class even if it doesn't suit them... that makes a huge headache for using the "gear recommendation" system. Have you tried gearing up a tank in ARR while you have DPS/mage gear in your armoury? It doesn't care that your Lv32 armour still has higher defence than that Lv40 "all classes" robe, it's higher level and you can equip it, therefore you should be wearing it.

(And then there's the 'human error' factor... "what do you mean my gear is rubbish? It's the right level and the game says I can wear it!")



Crafting and gathering is in a bit of an odd inbetween because most of their unique gear, other than the individual job gear, has been all-classes up to Lv60. My understanding is that if it's all-classes, people can wear it into battle and build up spiritbond for "cheap" materia? I can certainly do that with ARR gear. Haven't tried in Heavensward. I can see why they might want to stop people doing that, and again the further locks on sharing glamour are an unfortunate side-effect of locking the gear itself to the appropriate class, rather than deliberately restricting the glamour options. Most of the Stormblood gear shares designs with gear available to the battle classes anyway.



Just to be clear - I would also absolutely love for things to be unlocked. It's just that, from what I can observe of how the game works and from what I've heard of the devs' opinions on unlocking things (ie. pretty definitely no relic armour), it's highly unlikely it will happen - and also that they can't "be nice and loosen the restrictions" because - I suspect - there's no loosening to be done. It's either on or it's off, and to protect the iconic job-identity relic armours they believe it needs to stay on.

I want the PvP sets from ARR to stop being job locked.

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A friend actually suggested an idea where, you put an item in the glamour dresser, only then does it not have class restrictions, but if you take it out again, it's back to being what it was before entry, whole point of this was ofc not me trying to say unlock all class restrictions, we are talking about not restricting it for glamour. I don't really understand how this would artifact armors tho, but in the first place, why the eff cant we put augmented and lvl 60/70 af gear in armoire, we don't wear the gear beyond it being our entry lvl 50/60/70 gear to begin with, it just takes space otherwise.

As for integrating "no glamour restrictions", they managed to code in a glamour dresser, they should be able to manage such a thing.

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I don't think they can unlock it to some additional classes but not others. I suspect either everything stays locked down to its designated class or gets thrown 100% open - nothing inbetween, and no way to apply "special exceptions" to stop artifact gear from getting glamoured onto other classes.

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I think it could be done as a rule-based change (as opposed to separate settings on every gear item). If the list of classes/jobs that can equip it is limited to one only, then that's also the only one that can glamour it. If there's more than one that can equip it, than any class can glamour it. That would separate out AF, and I'm pretty sure it's just AF, from other gear. Even dragoon gear, which tends to be separate from other jobs even on non-AF, has its non-AF gear list lancer and dragoon, while its AF gear lists just dragoon. (I haven't done an exhaustive search through every gear item in the game to see if there's any exceptions that wouldn't work, but I don't know of any.) So long as any new jobs added (that don't have base classes) share their non-AF gear with other jobs, that rule would continue to work, and I rather suspect that's going to be the case anyway.

An alternative, of course, is to give gear items two different "equippable by" lists, one for who can equip it directly, and one for who can equip it as glamour. That would take a bit of work to set up initially, since it would require a change to each existing piece of gear, but once set up, it wouldn't involve any increase in character data size or any of the other limitations that block them from so many things.

Either approach should be feasible.

I have to say, there's a lot of DoH and DoL gear that I would love to glamour into DoM or DoW gear, but will probably never get to see in battle (unless I start attacking monsters with my fishing rod)!