[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

I managed to beat SSS for Sophia EX with an i255 weapon, and literally every other piece of gear below the required ilvl for Sophia, if weapon is so important, why bother farming armor and accessories ?

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So that this doesn't happen
http://i67.tinypic.com/n67xvc.jpg

Sure, it's PvP not PvE, but the same rules apply. The logic in question here is the weapon is lv 60, all the accessories except for one are lv 60. . . How do you explain that left side?
Did we win? Yes we did. Did the PLD help? No. . . no he didn't. I survived better than he did and MCHs have no defensive skills.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Why is it totally absurd?

Right now, weapon damage sets the scale of increases SE wants for the game.

If you lower that value of weapon damage, making it matter less, it would mean they just give weapons themselves higher weapon damage numbers.

IE:
1 WD on PLD equalling to 25 VIT
1 WD on PLD equalling to 5 VIT, then give that weapon 5 WD.

The stat itself 'compared' to the rest of the stats matters little because they purposely want weapon damage to be that important in the end.

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Yes that's what I'm suggesting be changed. The difference in damage between 1 WD and 1 STR is nuts. No stat should be 25x more important than another stat unless that other stat is totally useless for your job (Piety on a DRG). I don't mean you change the numbers so that the math works out the same way just with different numbers plugged in, that's pointless. I'm saying change the formula so that primary and secondary stats contribute more than they do now and tone down the impact of WD on performance.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

It's a weapon. The weapon is where most of our damage comes from. Not our armour (though it does add to it). Just make it so that players cannot enter duties if their weapon doesn't match the level of the content.

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It can still be the most important piece of gear but right now it's practically the only piece that matters and that's a problem.

Add to that it's always the most difficult piece of gear to obtain (for obvious reasons with the way the math works) and a rule like you're proposing here brickwalls people who are trying to catch up.

Imposing punitive measures because someone screwed up in an instance (which was cleared anyway) is stupid. It's not a solution to the problem, just a roadblock.

People are carrying on about wanting their party members to show up properly geared.. ok.. but when you're talking about excluding people from expert roulette because their necklace isn't 230? That's stupid. And make no mistake, that's exactly what about half these proposals would do.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Step 3: Wait for 15 minutes

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It's 5 minutes, probably gets taken up by the first failure of a pull if it's that bad.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

It can still be the most important piece of gear but right now it's practically the only piece that matters and that's a problem.

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No... you'd still need decent gear so you could survive raid-wide AoE's (VIT) and have decent Secondary Stats (my BLM has 1248 Spell Speed. Mostly thanks to the gear I have + materia).

I also said level. Not ilvl. You should not be able to enter a Level 60 Duty with a Level 50 weapon (you can even buy Level 60 weapons from the Helix vendors).

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Yes that's what I'm suggesting be changed. The difference in damage between 1 WD and 1 STR is nuts. No stat should be 25x more important than another stat unless that other stat is totally useless for your job (Piety on a DRG). I don't mean you change the numbers so that the math works out the same way just with different numbers plugged in, that's pointless. I'm saying change the formula so that primary and secondary stats contribute more than they do now and tone down the impact of WD on performance.



It can still be the most important piece of gear but right now it's practically the only piece that matters and that's a problem.

Add to that it's always the most difficult piece of gear to obtain (for obvious reasons with the way the math works) and a rule like you're proposing here brickwalls people who are trying to catch up.

Imposing punitive measures because someone screwed up in an instance (which was cleared anyway) is stupid. It's not a solution to the problem, just a roadblock.

People are carrying on about wanting their party members to show up properly geared.. ok.. but when you're talking about excluding people from expert roulette because their necklace isn't 230? That's stupid. And make no mistake, that's exactly what about half these proposals would do.

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The weapon could be 50x, it should not matter, what matters is that it is factored to enter something.

People mess around it to get around it
People enter it thinking it does not matter because they do not know better.

Entry requirements to EVERYTHING needs changing. it was broken at 2.0 and still is. The only difference then and now is how much people care about others are doing. Healers in specific, do not like stressing because someone is lazy/ does not care anything else but themselves.

Also needing to wait 5 minutes to kick someone is ridiculous for some DF's like primal and trails. You need to be allowed to kick right away if someone is so bad they are causing wipes.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

People are carrying on about wanting their party members to show up properly geared.. ok.. but when you're talking about excluding people from expert roulette because their necklace isn't 230? That's stupid. And make no mistake, that's exactly what about half these proposals would do.

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Current Ex roulette requirements are what, 230/235? And drops 245 gear? If someone shows up at bare minimum, or perhaps even at i220, fine. It'll be rough, but doable. But i130/i135? No, THEN we have a problem. What I think people are saying is you shouldn't be able to queue for endgame content without at least bare minimum endgame gear. As far as Heavensward goes, that BLM staff was barely starter gear.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

How high was your HP and how long do you think you'd survive wearing that gear in Sophia EX?

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I wouldn't survive...because I didn't even have the average ilvl to enter Sohia EX. Yet I did enough DPS because I had a higher weapon.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

It's a weapon. The weapon is where most of our damage comes from. Not our armour (though it does add to it).

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That would have made sense...if only every piece of armor wouldn't add to your main damaging stat...

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Originally Posted by Callinon

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So, you don't like it, that's why it needs to change, despite that's how SE purposely made the system for balancing.

I ran into this issue as well. Had someone using a 120 weapon in an expert roulette It took close to 60 min to finish since they were on a dps job. The weapon is the biggest factor in damage. They really should make the min ilvl requirement have a weapon of that ilvl as well.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

when you're talking about excluding people from expert roulette because their necklace isn't 230? That's stupid. And make no mistake, that's exactly what about half these proposals would do.

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If it stops people from still being under-geared to perform to minimum standards or from equipping things to bypass the minimum ilevel, yes. There are other ways to catch up. People have to catch up anyway when they don't already meet the minimum ilevels even with the current system in place.