Samurai Weapon: Nodachi or basic katana

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Did Samurai really parry with their swords? I didn't think katanas were broad or strong enough to withstand blows from other swords without shattering/snapping.

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That sounds like you're confusing parrying with blocking. To block a blow, you're meeting it's force and holding it back. That's where you'd need either a strong and sturdy weapon, or better yet a shield. To parry a blow, on the other hand, you're just turning it aside, re-directing its force so that it doesn't land where your attacker was aiming. That can be done with a much lighter weight weapon, and is the primary means of defense in a Japanese swordfight.

And a well-made katana is actually quite strong. In order to take a really sharp edge, however, that edge is honed thin enough that is becomes quite delicate and easily nicked. Although the weapon wouldn't be likely to shatter or snap if used to block a blow, significant damage to its sharpened edge could still ruin it. Though really small nicks can sometimes be mended, a major gouge out of a sword's edge cannot.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

Saying mágica use swords is like saying Monk uses Katars. The weapon type is dagger or twin . Not sword. Going by weapon drops is not a way to judge the actual weapon used by the job. Also strength has absolutely zero to do with the tank balance issues. Maybe you should check the tank forum for real informartion.

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1° there is no weapon type more that magical weapons and phisical weapons, all jobs have bind they own weapons, un the description dont say a great sword is a great sword, only a few names of the weapons say that, many ninja weapons are close to touch the ground, hell i can even write you name in the ground with those if i want, and i dont see they say dagger in any placer, ninja relic are ninjatos (the original one and the esoterics ) and ninjatos are short swords.

And sorry but im tank, i and str meta buff WAR to break the limit of tank and dps, in 3.0-3.1 paladín was crying for buffs and 7 WAR partys are doing everything with they huge fell cleaves and they huge self heals bcd you know WAR scale everything with ap, so yeah im well imformed about tank status, the changes on str make war self heals to a "normal" status and the PLD dps was solve with some buffs, the str meta fix reduce WAR op estatus to get close to DRK and PLD with the new buffs.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

So if Samurai is in 4.0 as a new Job then which type of Japanese sword would be used?

The nodachi which is basically a very big katana or the basic simple katana which is a bit lighter due to smaller in size.

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I assume it will be two-handed either way, and given the general diversity of weapons, they'll probably end up with both.

Honestly, I'm more concerned with samurai weaponskills having something to set them apart from the PLD, DRK, and NIN weaponskills.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Did Samurai really parry with their swords? I didn't think katanas were broad or strong enough to withstand blows from other swords without shattering/snapping.

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For the most part Katana were made with composite metals allowing the blade to deceptively simple and elegant but incredibly strong and resilient.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ana_brique.png

Man At Arms video showcasing the creation of a Katana from the movie Kill Bill, using traditional methods and explaining the metal composition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNuEDtnVdeM

History Chanel Presentation of Samurai Sword, including a look in to Samurai culture, theology, creation of Katana, and basic principle techniques of Katana use. (this video, very heavily celebrates Samurai culture and shows an obvious bias towards the subject matter.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE_4zHNcieM

When looking to the DRK we see it is allowed the use of more realistic swords before 50 as well as the swords Balmung and Skofung. Obviously later we are given Chaos Bringer and Nothung . I use these as examples to show that regardless of weather or not we get a Katana or a Nodachi I believe for aesthetic larger more prominent iterations will be used to show greater levels of detail and uniqueness.

Balmung
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/0fcc4a37e8d/

Skofung
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/f4747361863/

Death Bringer
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/dca7f983244/

Nothung
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/4e6fbe22264/

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Originally Posted by Cynric

Saying Ninjas use swords is like saying Monk uses Katars. The weapon type is dagger or twin . Not sword.

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Actually, the weapon type is "Rogue's Arm". All weapon types in this game are either "<class name>'s Arm" or "<One/Two>-handed <class name>'s Arm". And although the Rogue quests make reference to using daggers, I don't recall any such reference being made in-game once reaching Ninja.

Many of the blades Ninja use are sword length (including their katana styled weapons), though it's also true that some of their other later weapons are still daggers. They also use that backwards grip that looks a lot more natural for daggers than it does for swords, so even if SE does decide to have Samurai dual wield, I'm sure they'll at least hold their weapons differently. That alone would provide a significant visual difference between the two jobs.

How weapons are depicted can also change. Up until the release of 2.3, Gladiator had a bunch of knife and dagger weapons that all transformed into swords in that patch.

To contribute to the thread, and avoiding SAM Tank vs DPS. I honestly think we might see Dual Katana's being a thing, that or Great Katana (Nodachi more or less). Now I know Dual Katana SAM hasn't been done before (?) But neither was Ragnarok turning into an Axe.. but it happened. As I said before though, we'll see in a few months! But it's not bad to discuss!

So to start, people asking for Naginata and Kanabō, I don't think we'll see these being a possibility to SAM. Naginata has already been used as a DRG weapon and Kanabō will probably just be a variation of a Mace/Hammer job in the future just like a Naginata has been used. Although you could argue Katana's have been used with the Law Greatsword? And I'll make the same argument to that to further increase my speculation that Dual Katana's have a higher possibility then Great Katana's.

Now I know the animation between piercing with spears rather then slashing with a Naginata is different, I know that a Katana's finesse and precision would be different to a big **** off greatsword's power and force. For Kanabō though I could see that easily sharing animations with Maces/Hammer's. ANDDDDD maybe you could even say "Well Kat, Ninja daggers are dual wielding and dual wielding Katana's is what you want, how would that be different?" So to add to this, like the person above me said, dual wielding Katana's would be held the complete opposite way, making the animations pretty significantly different imo.

As you can see, I really want to see SAM dual wielding Katana's! I can totally seeing it happening, but feel free to let me know what you guys think of my breakdown and tell me if I forgot something or if you feel something is off with it. :D

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...uraiSheath.png


was rtying to find a dual katana pic but couldnt find anything with the traditional ff sam armor look.

why i mentioned the roles, is because, to me 2 katana seems more for defense then holding one with both hands for more precise cuts and power, you lose that precision and power when the other hand is holding a weapon, so for a katana of decent size id expect just both hands i dont really see them giving samurai a huge katana this time around, regardless

Not a fan of slow-paced gameplay. I hope Samurai job will be more like wandering ronin instead of the oldschool full-armored samurai. If they use giant sword and swing it as slow as DRK, it's not gonna be my favorite job.

I want SMR to be a DPS job too.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Not a fan of slow-paced gameplay. I hope Samurai job will be more like wandering ronin instead of the oldschool full-armored samurai. If they use giant sword and swing it as slow as DRK, it's not gonna be my favorite job.

I want SMR to be a DPS job too.

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Samurai swords were pretty light compared to what knights used. Light or otherwise.

I have to say though. I still don't think Samurai would fit the next expansion, but after all this discussion of samurai arms, I would hate to see this all being for nothing. So yeah, we need a Samurai. Wonder where we would start though. I can't imagine Ala Mhigo having too many Samurai.

I feel that SAM would be implinted lore wise the same way NIN has, as a result od Doma importing the art. The circumstances would be different however, due to both Ala Mhigo's status as a state-turned-garlemald-colony and possibly Bushido (their code of honor) rendering them unable to leave either Doma or Garlemald (likely leading to a Similar case to the Free Paladins, with the players being technicality Ronin)