SMN battle Ressurection is VERY good for pick up parties where you don't know if the healers can do their job or if the rest of the DPS can keep themselves alive. But yeah, Like Fluffernuff said, in a static group it's only there as a safety measure.
As I said before, I'd like to see Red Mage as a healer. It's the only role right now that can heal and DPS - and adding close range combat as a form of MP management would be AWESOME, not to say that Red Mage can be a great rival to the SCH spot in the party.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Will Red Mage be just like astrologian? A fusion between SMN & Blm.
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11-01-2016, 08:57 AMFevelle
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11-01-2016, 09:21 AMExiled_Tonberry
If SE is smart, they'll make a completely original job, and stay away from the whole "it can be both WHM and SCH" mess that had AST weaker for 4 patches, and overpowered for this one.
Create a job that isn't borrowing from BLM or SMN. It's a mage/melee crossbreed, the possibilities are fucking limitless, pls dont go for another hybrid mess. -
11-01-2016, 10:22 AMFluffernuff
If SE were to allow a purely hybrid job, I just don't know how it would fit into the system we have without it having it's overhaul. While it is by no means confirmed or disproved, let's stick to "We will only get 2 new jobs". ok, 2 new jobs to fill out 3 roles. Red Mage as a pure hybrid could very easily fill in a slot for both DPS and Healing as they have in the past-
Though this causes issues- the first and only pure hybrid for the system. The team would have to figure out how a Healer/DPS would be able to actually fit into the other role... COMFORTABLY (as a hybrid). this means not only competing with the likes of MNK and BLM, but also comparable to healing numbers of WHM or AST in that healing slot. a daunting task indeed. And then to further complicate the point, they have to make this amazing DPS that is a full-fledged healer yet not completely lock out the other full-fledged healers out of their slots.
Failing to walk this fine line results in 1 of 2 outcomes-
1: They simply fail to do enough damage in their role as a Dps because they have to heal. on this same token, they fail to be able to keep up with the demand in healing because they have too many, or are reliant on doing DPS. Thus they fall short of both marks and are simply worse in every category
2: They are able to push the damage of DPS, possibly as much as say... BLM, but can, at the same time, be a 2nd or 3rd... or 7th healer in a group. Why bring healers at all then? you can have an amazing DPS do it instead! Clearly a bit too..... good
because of this, I feel Red mage would strictly be 1 or the other at any given time, but never both- much in the same way a SCH can use a job stone to become a SMN. This is honestly the most likely, but that would be so disappointing, no? I only have the current system to base my speculation on though, as SE is likely to keep that shiny updated battle system close to their chest and behind a $50 paywall. -
11-06-2016, 12:19 AMTracewood
Just give RDM some kind of sword... or let us pull one out of a book, that looked pretty cool.
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11-06-2016, 02:05 PMTactical
I'd like RDM to be a sort of DPS hybrid between using weaponskills and casting magic, kinda like the DRK. Then again, I think BRD already does that, and it has DoTs, too, on top of that, so RDM can't do that. Hm...
i also had an idea for RDM to be all three roles at once but primarily be a dps role but that'll never happen -
11-09-2016, 09:03 PMlordparanoia
I imagine Red Mage in my mind as a DPS. The particular trait of RDM maybe should be the possibility to both stay ranged and melee maybe giving him support abilities and lower dps in ranged position and higher dps in melee position.
Guess it would someway work. -
11-09-2016, 10:29 PMIromi
Rdm as dps for me..when Ilbred used the sword and enchanted it, it totally reminded me of rdm :) that's how I picture it I guess!
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11-12-2016, 10:56 PMZhamkyong
I just saw FFXV: Kingsglaive film a couple of days ago, i got the feeling that the glaives could represent a Rdm. Shortsword/dagger - swordplay with White magic as protección utility and black magic used for offense. I dont know where to put the teleport thing but overall it reminded me of the class.
What do you guys think of that kind of Gameplay/close combat caster?
I "think" that the summoning swords was oficial to the class due to certain npc in the story? -
11-15-2016, 10:36 PMckc22This is why we can't have nice things and they say shit like "blu will never work" because when they adjust something to place it in the game everyone complains about it stupidly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagiusNecros
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11-16-2016, 04:19 AMShurrikhanHybrid mess, or dual carbon copy? It's because it has a legacy as a hybrid of sorts that its possibilities are "limitless". Failing to capitalize on that and giving us a NIN remix because "that was one of endless possibilities, and was a new and unique XIV version!!" is no guarantee of interest either. Bar the ambition for making a hybrid who can actually succeed, something that can actually carry the hype the job warrants, and let SE roll it over to yet another 2.5 2-3 step combos with one bound and one free DoT and a few offensive oGCDs or split-resource oGCD system, and it's not that likely to excite anyone. With each iteration, stale only gets staler, while the opportunities for breaking out of that rut only get more rewarding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry
Just playing the devil's advocate here, but one could also say we can't have nice things because a section of players will be satisfied enough with it regardless of its quality that SE has no incentive to really push concepts or identity for the job, let alone make significant improvements to gameplay (only to power or balance) later.Quote:
Originally Posted by ckc22