This isnt the first time this has happened, you can clearly hear "inspiration" from other songs throughout sokens XIV work. The blatant fanboyism here supporting this type of "art" is sad and while its not a direct copy worthy of court action I certainly wont be dropping any more money on FF sound tracks with this type of attitude. "Oh yeah all industrial sounds the same, deal with it." Its not surprising when the entire game is loosely based on what wow did in the past. All theme park mmos play the same, deal with it.
Why do you guys seem to think this is all about money or attention? have you ever created something you are proud of weather other ppl like it or not? the negativity on the fb page is coming from the same group of ppl on this forum.
Sephirot Theme ( Phase 2 ) sound familiar?
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02-26-2016, 12:40 AMRaagnar
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02-26-2016, 12:46 AMChaotic_Darkfae
Personally, I heard more of ancient Reznor/original Nine Inch Nails bits and pieces in the song, with smatterings of VNV Nation sprinkled in, mostly having to do with what Lemagex spoke of, but that may be due to the fact that I've been listening to Reznor's music since he started releasing things to the public, and the same with VNV Nation's stuff. Everyone was going off about this Powerman 5000 powertrip before I even got to the Sephirot fight (I'm doing it later today - I have an FC to run, airships to manage, housing stuff to take care of, RP events to schedule, and the MSQ and incorporating it into our events is top priority) so I ended up listening to it once it was up on YouTube...and as mentioned, heard a lot of overtones of Reznor/NIN and had to actually go listen to "Worlds Collide" again to even solidly get how close the first tiny bit of the song was to it. Frankly, if you listen to a whole tonne of industrial music - and lots of non-mainstream (read: not the shit on the public radio) industrial - most of what's in Sephirot's theme is pretty common place and not isolated to one band alone, or even just a few bands. Really, Powerman 5000 doesn't have a rock to stand on in court, and will fail miserably if he tries to take it to court, and likely knows it, which is why he's whining like a baby on social media instead of manning up and trying to do this all the proper way.
I didn't expect that Soken was much of a Powerman fan, I didn't think Powerman really landed well in Japan. Japan has their own industrial underground, with a lot of similar sounds to NA/EU's groups, so it's likely he got his inspirations from there rather than some small time industrial band from America. And yes, frankly, Powerman 5000 is a lower tier industrial group in the grand scheme of things - he couldn't stay relevant like a lot of the bigger guns in the industrial scene.
On an aside, thanks Yoshi-Primal for clearing things up for us, even though your answer was exactly what I expected. <3 -
02-26-2016, 12:53 AMSkivvylol, I don't remember that at the time, but I did hear the small little Jurassic Park bit in there ;) Struggling to hear Stairway to Heaven though.Quote:
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Oh, and I bolded the important part. Thank you for that link! I now have some nice background music to work to :D -
02-26-2016, 12:59 AMBerethosAssuming it is as clear as you suggest, I'm sure you wouldn't mind listing the Soken songs that you claim were inspired and the songs that inspire them.Quote:
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02-26-2016, 01:04 AMRaagnarYour fellows have already pointed them all out, go back and read.Quote:
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02-26-2016, 01:15 AMCGMidlanderYou mean the people who were pointing out that Moggle Mog's (a moogle) theme in FFXIV is practically the same as the moogle themes from other Final Fantasy games? It's a different context and an obvious intentional reference.Quote:
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02-26-2016, 01:17 AMzaviermhigoI'm in law school, in copyright we hit on this, technically an artist could say "you copied my son" but the person copying having access to the song (listening to it, being there when its written etc) is usually more of a hook line and sinker for the case. First things first this would be an international case regardless, and it would all come down to did Japan sign TRIPs and is it a Berne Country. (Japan is a Berne, TRIPPS, UCC Paris, UCC Geneva and WCT country so they should have maximum international copyright protection and ....sanction)Quote:
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But for the most part, in courts we are arguing that music is still limited every note variation is out there pretty much (I come from IT, Music and Poli Sci background before entering law school) and there is really no real test. The court might go "oh industrial is a stagnant genre and to my laymen ear all of it sounds the same", judges are not usually musicians at all and they are the ones ruling on it. Its a not a perfect world where two people with musical skill compare the song, instead a judge and maybe an expert or two listens to it, and unless you blatantly copy 3 bars or more, its probably not even going to court.
If I'm kinda vague, I get copyright, but its not my area of expertise, my expertise is Gaming (Gambling) law, I go to the best school in the nation for it (I'm a las vegas local) and the parts I really get about copyright are because dealing with casinos in Vegas = copyright, enterntainment, contracts, tort, administrative etc
Also to clarify you can be completely inspired by someone elses work and have it not be copyright, the only case that says differently is the Estate of Marvin Gaye case and I honestly think Marvin's Gayes Estate is filled with greedy people who can pay whoever they want off to get the verdict they want. the "what is it like" is probably not enough for infringement, the beats of the song are actually different enough to most laymen. Everyone is screaming infringment without actually reading any case law or knowing anything about copyright. Ya'll are funny. The guy I'm quoting though is kinda right "not knowing about the song" isn't a defense, but it can work in your favor just sayin.
TLDR: In copyright law there is no clear and cut "you copied this much of my song its infringment" its all up to the judges laymen ear. One line of lyrics is not typically enough since words are limited, sometimes copying notes isn't even enough because when you break it down there aren't that many note variations that a person could create a new song and have it not share notes with another, its just not possible anymore. The beat of the two songs even to a laymen are not enough alike, they are similar but not enough alike to claim copyright, if you don't know anything about copyright stop talking about it, its widely misunderstood.
This artist probably got more publicity for it, although I played tony hawk back in the day, I didn't know who this guy making crap music even was, especially since no one have given a crap about industrial music since 2004, and I doubt he even as big enough pockets to sue SE for it XD -
02-26-2016, 01:32 AMBerethosSo Good King Moggle Mog and it's similarities to This is Halloween...of course, how it's a remix of an older Moogle song has been pointed out and a quick listen to both reveals how different they really are.Quote:
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02-26-2016, 01:35 AMzaviermhigoYou sir, the only person who understand this is not worthy of court action. It does suck he's copying but seriously court action how much do people not understand copyright in this forum, answer: 99.9% At the end of the day is some musician no one cares about anymore trying to get more publicity and its working.Quote:
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02-26-2016, 01:36 AMGyson
Two pieces of "music" comprised of a guy yelling into a mic to a rapid beat end up sounding similar. News at 11.