Well, you can't use Cure as a BLM =)Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkerOrange
And I haven't really used Physick in ages outside of solo content where I feel like sleeping a mob and topping off my HP. But, I've had a fair few dungeon runs where, to my horror, the SCH was that bad. Not that it helped much since the tank died anyways, but still. Sometimes I think players in dungeons are bots... They never respond when you tell them things, even using the translator, and are just horrible.
useless scholars
Printable View
-
11-08-2015, 10:04 PMVexander
-
11-08-2015, 10:21 PMAtoli
Recently went back to leveling my SCH and have to say...on no other healing class have I found it to be THAT stressful to try and dps in between. The fairy isn't even remotely helping, the tank's HP drop just as fast as if I had regen up on him on WHM/AST, sometimes even faster because the fairy takes her sweet time to do ANYTHING, and if I order her to do buffs/despells, she even loses a GCD. Regen ticks don't ever miss a GCD, just sayin' :x
But my main problem with SCH is that, when I switch stance and dps, the tank's HP drop and I have no means to raise them quickly again after I switch back to healing. Lustrate is weak as hell AND limited to having aetherflow stacks available. After dpsing on WHM and AST, I throw two or three big heals at the tank (or my REALLY big instant heal, if he's close to dying, which btw SCH also doesn't have, at least not at my lvl, 57) and he's at full HP again. Lustrate isn't just weaker than any other "big" heal, I also usually do not have several aetherflow stacks available because I used at least half of them on dpsing. Adlo is not helpful either, one single hit and it's gone, and tanks usually get hit several times in the span of one GCD because at least in dungeon runs, they have several monsters hitting them.
So yeah, while I do dps on SCH, I do it a lot less regulary than on my other healers, simply because my tank is always about to die whenever I do so. It's not because I'm lazy, I'm just preventing us from wiping. -
11-08-2015, 11:10 PMKabzyI think you need a lot more practise with the job if that's the case. SCHs can pretty much get away with not healing at all in dungeons and letting the fairy do everything. You need to make use of all your defensive CDs for the tank while DPSing and maybe manage your AF stacks better for those emergency moments. Maybe you've had an unlucky streak with all STR tanks or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Atoli
Also saying that Lustrate is 'weak as hell' kind of discredits your opinion here. I'm pretty sure every healer who knows what that spell does will disagree with you on this. -
11-09-2015, 12:10 AMVexanderI think it depends on the tank, really. I've had tanks where I've never had to use Lustrate, but I had to alternate adlo and physick with my fairy spamming it's heal to keep the tank up. I've also had tanks who I could spam 6 lustrates on and barely keep alive. On trash. A bit of a problem is knowing your party, and if you do duty finders, you don't know your party. The best parties I've had, I could've DPS'd in, but the few times I had, I was told to stop and just focus on healing. The worst parties I've had, I started running out of mana with. Sometimes players are picking up an old class, or they're under-geared. These things happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabzy
-
11-09-2015, 03:14 AMYuiSasakiJust want to throw in some info...:Quote:
Originally Posted by samkitwood
Did you know that a green class color (in the party interface) marks the Healer. SCH have that green color so their role is to heal.
Don't get me wrong, but if you are ranting about something you should stay away from such statements to avoid misunderstandings.
BTT: I somewhat agree with you, that not-dpsing as a healer somewhat wastes the time of not only yourself, but also the others.
Considering though, that everyone wants to play the game as they want, you, yourself need to accept that it might be their way of playing their class.
Of course the run is faster if the heal does damage and of course many are doing it ( more or less ), but it is just wrong to assume that it is in the interest of every player.
So you got two choices, either: deal with it or kick him and risk a ticket for abusing vote kick. -
11-09-2015, 03:50 AMAtoliIf I don't heal together with my fairy, it takes less than 4 seconds for the tank to fall to 1k HP or less. I rarely get tanks that are a bit more sturdy, but even they are dead by the time I have applied and spread my DoTs if I leave healing to the fairy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabzy
Even if I spam Physick/Adlo together with the fairy and don't dps at all, I've had tanks I could barely keep alive even with throwing 6 Lustrates at them. And it's not equipment trouble either, at least not on my end, since I kept pretty much the full leveling sets after leveling AST to 60.
Defensive cooldowns? Am I missing something? I can use Protect and Adlo (and in theory Stoneskin, but the casttime alone kind of disqualifies it to be cast in the middle of a fight), the tank usually never stays in Sacred Soil anyways (and using it also cripples my dps). Eye for an eye is useful about every third pull, unless it's not, because most monsters in the Aery have magic-based attacks which means even if it triggers, it does absolutely nothing. Eos would be useful against magic-based mobs, but then half of the party starts crying because they want Selene's buff. Don't get me wrong, I don't consider myself a good Scholar by any means, but I hardly see anything wrong with what I'm doing. Leaving it to the fairy is simply not an option.
It heals some HP. With a potency of 600. At most 3 times in a row (or 6, if you get new aetherflow stacks in between and do not need to use them on anything else). It's no magical save-all skill like Benediction or Essential Dignity that gains potency when the tank's HP get low. It's just a slightly weaker version of Cure/Benefic II, with the slight advantage of being instant cast (which Benefic II is pretty often, as well, so not really any gain). It doesn't even have the special traits anymore that it had in ARR that made it useful for situations where healing spells that rely on potency got useless due to anti-heal debuffs on the tank (like in the Ramuh fight). Now it's just a weaker healing spell. So please tell me "what that spell does"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabzy
More on topic:
I really hate it when healers just laze about. As in, they heal if necessary but just don't do anything when there is no need to heal. But at least in my experience, on SCH there is just no time to dps, not because I want to be lazy but because otherwise my party dies. Which is the main reason why I'm always amazed by people writing about how SCH is 90% dps and 10% healer o.Ô -
11-09-2015, 03:58 AMYuiSasakiIt's off GCD. Nuff said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atoli
Of course you can't live by it alone, but if you know what you are doing, - as others said before - you won't need to heal at all in dungeons.
Indeed there tanks out there that are tough as a wet noodle is stiff... and yes these need some more attention, but overall, you almost always have enough time to dps at least a bit. -
11-09-2015, 04:42 AMSkyBane001I'm not sure what to say here. In my admittedly limited experience with leveling scholar, outside of a few heavy damaging boss encounters, I've only had to leave cleric stance to cast healing spells on average about twice a dungeon. My girlfriend who plays exclusively DPS (mains SMN) tends to roll her eyes and call me "dime store summoner" or "wannabe DPS" when she watches me play SCH in group content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atoli
-
11-09-2015, 05:07 AMBlessedbythesun
I am still waiting on that video from DarkerOrange doing Expert roulette with out a pre-made party to give me hard proof that it's "very, very easy" for a SCH to go right in without healing almost the entire dungeon, if not the entire thing. Meanwhile I am becoming entirely aggravated at this notion that, outside of leveling under level 40 as SCH, Eos and Selene can completely carry the weight of healing now. Not only does it sound ludicrous, it undermines all the healing roles by saying SCH can go full DPS and the fairy can effectively replace not just SCH healing, but WHM and AST.
-
11-09-2015, 08:29 AMKabzyQuote:
Originally Posted by Atoli
Lustrate still bipasses the healing debuff in Ramuh btw, because it's considered an action with a potency, not a spell. So there's one thing the spell does. xD
BUT anyway, I'm not trying to call you out. It's just Lustrate is an amazing spell. 600 potency, instant oGCD heal is no joke. Also you're almost never at that point where you need to spam it more than once if you're taking care of your primary role first. Being an instant cast heal is not a 'slight' advantage.
As for the DPS thing, generally people are talking about raid scenarios where you have a WHM taking care of the healing part. In dungeons, things can get sketchy depending on the party, but honestly the Fairies make healing so lenient. I actually can't figure out any reason as to why you're unable to find more downtime to DPS. In dungeons, SCHs have the perfect tools to add DPS in almost every scenario.