Hurray! Finally saved up 6mil for my personal house!

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Originally Posted by Gyson

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I think you were unfairly busting Tiggys chops about this, he was just trying to provide some examples and references, not necessarily stone cold facts. Also I think he was just trying to work within the parameters of the current systems we have now as it would be quicker, easier, and less costly to tweak rather than scrap and rebuild. Regardles of what system might be preferred, we also have to look at what is feasible given what we currently have to work with.

Now that Golden Saucer is released, I hope the team can now look at tweaking the housing system, even if it just means adding more Wards to the highly populated servers.

I feel for you. There is no way on this earth I could save up for a Medium house. I saved enough for a small.

When the subdivisions went up, I popped on and snapped one up fairly quickly at maximum price (ouch). All small houses are gone now.

I consider myself very lucky. I also am from 1.0 and on a Legacy server. It is frustrating. I have wanted to transfer in order to get a house but I'm stuck here because I would lose all my gil. Thankfully it worked out. I have great neighbors. I like my house.

Sorry you're getting screwed over by this ridiculous 'housing' system. It is a decidedly un-fun way to handle things for such a fun game.

Personally I have always thought housing to be positioned as the "casual" part of the game ever since it was announced, i.e. readily available to the biggest group of players. But in the end it was the opposite. Who, really, was housing designed for? I sometimes wonder. It was designed from the ground up to be very exclusive content due simply to its extremely limited availability. I refuse to believe that nobody on the dev team realized the limited availability, so I can only assume that they wanted only a fraction of the player population to access this content.

Then personal rooms were implemented, and it seemed clear that this was indeed what was intended: as a status symbol in the game to own (personally) a house, the rest of the mob can only get rooms.

I'm beginning to suspect that this game has a data storage limitation problem.

#1 I really feel for Balmung players, especially legacy players. But as soon as I saw which way the wind was blowing with RP, and as soon as they allowed server transfers off it, I pulled my 1.0 character out. I'm so glad I did that. No, you didn't have a choice to get transferred to Balmung BUT they offered all 1.0 players the option to migrate to a different server before 2.0 went live, although that was mostly so that people could make sure they were in the right data center. There was a choice for a brief window, and now there is a full choice to stay or go.

I agree Balmung needs free server transfers. And badly.

#2. We have casual housing/apartments already, it's call FC personal rooms. For 300K you can casually decorate to your heart's content. Gardening and chocobo raising is more midcore content since it requires a bit of money and effort. Depending on how tight fisted your FC is, you also get the benefits of gardening and chocobo raising with your FC room, as well as yard decorations. Everyone who has been with my FC for more than a week has lawn and garden privileges. We put in some cherry trees last night. Fun times.

I believe those are instanced, for that matter.

I like the idea of having a small garden allotment instanced as well. Branch it off the Summerford Farms, Horizon, and Bentbranch Meadows aetherytes.

#3 I've said it before and I'll say it again - there are two types of people in this game, those who figured out how to make money, and those who haven't tried hard enough yet. I personally contributed 10 million gil to our FC mansion. I made about a million gil over this past weekend. My markets are constantly changing, and I've had to find the right day of the week to avoid under cutters, but there are non market based ways to make gil as well (the raptor leather trick someone suggested, and spirit bonding.)

It's not even just a problem for personal houses. Our FC cant even get a house and we have enough for at least a medium, but there's nothing available. So I cant even get a personal room! Let alone the new players who will be coming to FFXIV with the expansion. if they don't come in with millions of gil, they will never be able to get housing. It just makes me sad to see something I was so looking forward to get locked behind a first come first serve wall.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I'm beginning to suspect that this game has a data storage limitation problem.

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Yes, you are correct. I remember them saying this. I'm no programmer but I wonder if they approached personal houses from a separate personal/invite instance perspective, would it have saved some of that data storage problem. Only generate that space on a per request basis. Lock it behind some main story quest so you have to reach a certain point in the game to unlock it. But now there are empty wards in some servers when the busy servers could be using that space. Wasted resources. Why did they choose to make personal housing share a system with FC housing? Asthetics? Community? I'm fine with FC housing being the way it is, but personal houses were not made with a lot of forethought to the word "Personal".

Maybe I'm off base but I don't know why everyone talks like FC rooms don't exist. That's an instanced form of housing that's open to essentially everyone (if someone as casual as me can save up 300,000 gil without even specifically trying, then anyone can). Think of it as having your own apartment inside a large building/exterior space (which depending on your standing in the FC you might also have some say in decorating).

If instanced apartments were the only form of housing the game had, would people be happy with it? Or does the fact that a more exclusive, harder to get form of housing also exists, suddenly make FC rooms chopped liver?

Many players aren't given access to the garden and when you have FCs that are 50+ large, not everyone will can get to the garden as often as you'd like. Personal rooms don't allow for any type of gardening. Many people have also complained about their FCs not being able to get any plot because... well there is no plot available. It's not the cost. It's the utility and availability.

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Originally Posted by Ryuukishi

Maybe I'm off base but I don't know why everyone talks like FC rooms don't exist. That's an instanced form of housing that's open to essentially everyone (if someone as casual as me can save up 300,000 gil without even specifically trying, then anyone can). Think of it as having your own apartment inside a large building/exterior space (which depending on your standing in the FC you might also have some say in decorating).

If instanced apartments were the only form of housing the game had, would people be happy with it? Or does the fact that a more exclusive, harder to get form of housing also exists, suddenly make FC rooms chopped liver?

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As mentioned several times, How do new FC's get houses if there are none avaliable? My FC is a tight knit group that does not want to be a part of one of the larger groups. but we cannot get a FC house even because all plots are taken. How do I get a fc room if we don't have a FC house? How do new players drawn in by heavensward get a personal house? Do they all have to amalgamate into an existing FC? it's not just my own experiences I'm worried about, its other people too.