4 guildleves in less than 1 hour=1/3rd of the way from 49-50?

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Originally Posted by Capita

He's reached that goal for the casuals who do only leves every reset, which is why it works. Casuals who can only play on weekends will reach cap in closer to 6 months. Hardcore players can reach it in less than 2 months. If leves are right on schedule while party grinding is way ahead of schedule, which form of leveling really needs to be more challenging?
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No way, casuals doing all their guildleves every reset would likely reach 50 in a month, or a little over. Anyone doing anything outside of guildleves would reach it inside of a month easily.

Also it was never "on schedule" for people who play much longer to still reach cap at the same rate as those who play significantly less, at least not since Tanaka and the Surplus system. Not that it matters because that isn't the case, and (hopefully) never will be the case. I don't know if you are trying to imply that XP while grouping needs to be nerfed, because that is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Serio

Dude was 49 fighting on 3 star. Max mob rank on 3 star is 51, and min is 46. They were NOT 15 levels above him. They were either 2 levels above him or 3 levels below him. Also, it took him 15 min for each leve? That's weak as hell. At 43 it took me only 3 minutes to complete a behest with rank 45 mobs, considering i was fighting at mid-strength. I bet if he went full force, he would've gotten 45-50k for those leves because he could have beaten them in about 5 minutes each. So, in that case, effort would've been more rewarding. When I hit 49 I'm going to try the exact same thing, but to all out and see just how much more SP i get than the OP.

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No that's not the way guildleves work. I've tried doing them on 4-5 star, even if I beat them in the same amount of time I get roughly the same xp. That's my other complaint about guildleves and has been since launch, I like doing things at a challenge/above my level but the game doesn't do a very good job at rewarding you for this at the moment.

Before the problem we ran into was that you would reach a point where mobs were 10 ranks above your level, and so doing them on any higher difficulty would be pointless as you get no more XP. Now with 90% of the xp deriving from the completion time the little bonus you get due to difficulty is simply not worth trying higher level mobs in most cases.

So basically this entire argument can be summed up with: "I want leves to give worse SP than anything else party related because I don't want to do leves."

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Originally Posted by Murugan

No way, casuals doing all their guildleves every reset would likely reach 50 in a month, or a little over. Anyone doing anything outside of guildleves would reach it inside of a month easily.

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No. Try again.

I think we have crossed wires somewhere Capita... And I am regretting saying this because I fear you will take it the wrong way. But I don't seem to be getting my points across to you in an effective manner.

I agree with almost everything thing you are saying. but it almost feels like you are resigned to the leve system being sub par.

I don't want to contradict everyone who says they are happy with the current system. I just can't tell if they are truly happy with it, or if they are just glad that it isn't worse.

Furthermore I am not at all advocating making the system worse. I'd just like it to be consistent.

And you are absolutely right in your comment that the problems with the game aren't centered around the leve system, nor will changing the leve system fix the numerous other issues plaguing the game.

But some minor changes to the leve system could make it a lot better...

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Serio, I apologize for my incorrect information. I thought I had read a post from the OP where he said the mobs in the leves were rank 64.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

I think we have crossed wires somewhere Capita... And I am regretting saying this because I fear you will take it the wrong way. But I don't seem to be getting my points across to you in an effective manner.

I agree with almost everything thing you are saying. but it almost feels like you are resigned to the leve system being sub par.

I don't want to contradict everyone who says they are happy with the current system. I just can't tell if they are truly happy with it, or if they are just glad that it isn't worse.

Furthermore I am not at all advocating making the system worse. I'd just like it to be consistent.

And you are absolutely right in your comment that the problems with the game aren't centered around the leve system, nor will changing the leve system fix the numerous other issues plaguing the game.

But some minor changes to the leve system could make it a lot better...

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Serio, I apologize for my incorrect information. I thought I had read a post from the OP where he said the mobs in the leves were rank 64.

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If what you're saying is that leves are fine now but can be better, then I agree. I believe most everyone would.

The idea is that they are fine in the current state of the game, and the dev need not worry about adjusting them any further so they can spend more time on the more pressing matters.

If you read the OP however, you will see that the argument was that the leves were in a state that needed immediate attention. That is what we are arguing against.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

at least not since Tanaka and the Surplus system.

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You're correct. If only SE had gotten rid of both Tanaka and the Surplus System...

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

If what you're saying is that leves are fine now but can be better, then I agree. I believe most everyone would.

The idea is that they are fine in the current state of the game, and the dev need not worry about adjusting them any further so they can spend more time on the more pressing matters.

If you read the OP however, you will see that the argument was that the leves were in a state that needed immediate attention. That is what we are arguing against.

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In that case, I apologize for my fervour.

I think the OP is just confused at what yoshi said about leves. When he said they are casual friendly he didnt mean hardcore players stay away from them, or casuals stay away from group grinds. If you dont like leves that's your fault not the game's. Also for those asking for very difficult leves, lets be fair and ask for group play to be challenging as well. Lets be careful for what we ask for. If mobs in group play take 5-10 mins to kill and leaves your healers exhausted that would be challenging and fun but we would all complain because its not sp effective. We need to stop thinking that time spent = difficult.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

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Serio, I apologize for my incorrect information. I thought I had read a post from the OP where he said the mobs in the leves were rank 64.

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Hey no problems, I just wanted to specify a bit.