Voting with my wallet

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Originally Posted by Dwill

You lost whatever little credibility your argument might have had as soon as the words white knight came out.

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No, no I really didn't. Feel free to think that way though. There is really no point in debating with you in particular.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

You lost whatever little credibility your argument might have had as soon as the words white knight came out.

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He has a point. The words "white knight" don't change that, no matter how much you wish they did.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

From FFXI to FFXIV 1.0 to FFXIV 2.0 has a been a steady march in the direction of trying to please the MMO majority rather than making a game on a set of principles.

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If you expect a game to please the hardcore dedicated fanbase you will be disappointed. Companies don't work like that, if they made XIV it's cause they want the money, not because they want to make the game itself, the only people who do that are indie developers, and sure there's still a lot of heart put in the game, but the final goal is making money, and for that they need to make the game for the bigger population, aka casual gamers, that people that can pay the sub with no problem, like the game but dont have the time/skill needed for a lot of the hardcore dedicated stuff, so they are hooked in the game through cosmetic stuff so in that sense, what they are doing is perfectly understandable.

This world is all about money and power if you didn't knew.

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Originally Posted by Edli

Never heard of someone paying $10 for something he doesn't care about. One point white knights bring out is "just vanity, not really important stuff". You forget the part where if it's indeed worthless it will not sell. There is a reason why the cash shop doesn't have animal fat.

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Sure, there are certainly some people, and probably quite a lot that do care about.
But they mean nothing in grand scheme of things.
Selling of Twintania will have quite a lot of demand (as it have now for in-game cash runs), but this win means almost nothing. For person - yes, it's achievement and access to second coil. But other than that there is zero impact - you'll be in the same category as before of casual people, you'll not get access to better gear and you'll for certainly not recognized as hardcore crowd suitable for static parties.

And it's not that all those needs are not monetized already, it's just not in the hands of company, but in the hands of (a small group of) evil hardcore guys that runs game economy.

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Originally Posted by Freyar

If you're paying to bypass content, then your content isn't interesting. It also means people are paying $60 to get past learning how to play a class putting a massive strain on post-level-cap dungeons. You can argue the the effectiveness of this purchase all you want, but it does change the strength/power of a character in exchange for real-world money. This is a buy-power-with-money scenario.

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Do you say this while you make another PB&J sandwich for the 100th time?

Look at this bread. That is some interesting bread. The way the jelly spreads...Mmm.

It gets old.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

He has a point. The words "white knight" don't change that, no matter how much you wish they did.

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No he doesn't. See below.

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Originally Posted by Edli

No, no I really didn't. Feel free to think that way though.

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Actually, you did considering you didn't even grasp what the person you quoted meant and then proceeded to make a comparison between something that only affects you (Vanity) versus something that affects everyone (the game's economy) which just shows how people like you just don't grasp the whole concept to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Edli

There is really no point in debating with you in particular.

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Indeed, it must not be fun to try to make a point when you (you in a general context):

• Use Logical fallacies.
• Are ignorant about the topic at hand.
• Take things out of context.
• Make blanket statements/ sweeping generalizations.
• Do not provide source nor facts to support one's viewpoint.

and then someone points it out.

I understand where the OP is coming from. Whenever an MMO introduces additional goods and services beyond character re-alterations, name changes and server transfers (and there are players out there that are against these being available) people become considered that the addition of mounts, pets, and even vanity equipment is just the start of a slippery slope of many a freemium MMO. But sometimes I read these reactions and can't help but think that they're being a little too "Chicken Little" and just spouting slippery slope fallacies just because.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

TBH FFXIV 2.0 has diluted the FF fanbase quite a bit with its complete change in direction. From FFXI to FFXIV 1.0 to FFXIV 2.0 has a been a steady march in the direction of trying to please the MMO majority rather than making a game on a set of principles.

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There's an MMO that was fairly recently launched that was designed specifically for those who would consider themselves "hardcore". The game's not doing too well because, as it turns out, doing things how they were 15+ years ago is boring and frustrating as hell.

Yeaaa... Wildstar and Elderscrolls Online not doing too good it seems.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Indeed, it must not be fun to try to make a point when you (you in a general context):

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A point? Go reread your reply to me. Your point had nothing to do with what I was trying to say. You just got mad that I used the word white knight and then completely ignored what my point actually was. That was your point, a completely useless reply. I'll just leave it here, I really meant it when I said I'm not going to have a debate with you in particular.

No matter what Yoshida said, doesn't remove the fact that they are continuing, or worse yet, making official that nasty practice of double dipping.

Someone mentioned gw2 earlier, don't forget gw2 doesn't charge you monthly for playing the game, they chose one of the models, SE wants to profit from both.

Cash shop exclusives will remain exclusive, not obtainable in any other way, give it a year and you will end up paying over 100$ for vanity that could have been obtained in game.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

You lost whatever little credibility your argument might have had as soon as the words white knight came out.

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Playing the credibility card again Dwill? "Get off your high horse" should be appropriate here.

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Originally Posted by Edli

A point? Go reread your reply to me. Your point had nothing to do with what I was trying to say. You just got mad that I used the word white knight and then completely ignored what my point actually was. That was your point, a completely useless reply. I'll just leave it here, I really meant it when I said I'm not going to have a debate with you in particular.

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Just so you know, Dwill is the self-appointed judge of people's credibility.