Toxic endgame community...

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Originally Posted by Arxief

So I hit 50, really enjoyed the story so far.

A few people even dropped from the dungeon because I was watching a 30 second cutscene.... Keep in mind this was a duty finder group.

The fights I did manage to not get locked out of I was able to survive the fight no problem.

I've played many MMOs, but this is by far the most toxic endgame community I have ever come across. I'm really in awe how bad it is.. Unfortunately my month re-sub hit today, I really need to think about subbing for another one..

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Unfortunately most of those playing right now are for a fact the So called hard core raiders from wow who just want the next game..(Button mashers, Non- thinkers). I've Played XI for the first 5 years and WoW till this was again ready.. just wait for those losers to fall off because they will ... the game has been live not even 2 Months and they are nerd raging .. pretty Hilarious actually.

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Originally Posted by Swag

One of the reasons I stopped doing PvE with my relic and GC questlines at AK was because I knew that, as a tank, I would be sh*t upon repeatedly by groups for not knowing the fights or having done it 100 times before (I hit 50 a couple weeks after the main rush, while everyone had been grinding to gear up for a while).

Since then I've leveled all my crafting classes to 50, but still don't want to join an AK group as a newbie tank. I'll probably level and gear a DPS class just so I can advance those quests.

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Jep, I can affirm that. As a Tank you really have the shitrole in this endgame. You have to do everything perfectly or people call you names there mothers would slap them for.

I've been experiencing dribs and drabs of toxic players.

I was put off even entering Duty Finder previously due to all of the negativity surrounding it all.

After running about 15 runs now though, I generally will only see 1 or 2 in Castrum on every other run, as a few players are running it for the first time or or on their 2nd or 3rd runs to get more tomes like myself. Not that it is a hard dungeon to do but I'm generally able to keep the group in check as more than half the time I'll be the main tank and the other guy will be new to it. DPS players in general will not be horrible to people if the tank is half decent and they want to avoid having to to wait a further 45-60 mins in Duty Finder for their next run.

Anyway, I felt compelled to post just now though as just finished a run and this well geared (armed to the teeth) Dragoon seemed to be generally polite all the way through, even with new players in tow, but then as the run finished on the last boss, he let out a tirade of abuse and generally said to all of the players that were new "I swear some of these people will never see speed runs. Have fun in your mediocrity." - though the comments weren't half as bad as what others have no doubt experienced, I guess they are starting to learn and are releasing all that pent up anger in the final moments of the run instead.

At least that's what I hope!

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Originally Posted by Fuz

Don't make me laugh.
I've never seen a single person who wanted to watch the cutscenes talk down, harass or insult a speed-runner.
The opposite, on the other hand, I've seen quite a lot.

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Have you not read the first 13 pages of this thread? or the multitude of threads before with the bashing of speed runners?

When i go pick up i assume i will be with player who discover the game. Even i go with 7 friends and you are the pick up. I will let you do everything you want. Other people who blame you are only angry guys. And i would better kick the angry one than the cute guys who watch cutscenes. :)

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

Have you not read the first 13 pages of this thread? or the multitude of threads before with the bashing of speed runners?

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It's bashing of harassers.
Not bashing of speed runners.

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Originally Posted by Talec

Jep, I can affirm that. As a Tank you really have the shitrole in this endgame. You have to do everything perfectly or people call you names there mothers would slap them for.

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But wait, if you leave as a tank then you'll be heralded as an asshole. I've had tons of shit DF's just due to the lottery of CM. I just get drunk and do it. Way better and not like you do much in CM other than spam flash and take trash mobs to the cannon.

I find that the more I stress about the time the less I enjoy the game. So screw it. Drink, play, let everyone else pull their own weight and just be the mute flasher that I know you want to be.

I might start macroing things that I would find myself most likely to say. Whether it be instructions or what, that way I can literally play 1 handed with the other on a beer.

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Originally Posted by Stryker

But wait, if you leave as a tank then you'll be heralded as an asshole. I've had tons of shit DF's just due to the lottery of CM. I just get drunk and do it. Way better and not like you do much in CM other than spam flash and take trash mobs to the cannon.

I find that the more I stress about the time the less I enjoy the game. So screw it. Drink, play, let everyone else pull their own weight and just be the mute flasher that I know you want to be.

I might start macroing things that I would find myself most likely to say. Whether it be instructions or what, that way I can literally play 1 handed with the other on a beer.

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Drunken tanking is a viable strategy in this game? Tank jobs, here I come! (Former drunken tank from several other MMOs...so much fun.)

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There are "Toxic" players, that in reality are failrly young by the way they interact with people. Hardships in life often cause them to act out in less social, community orientated ways. These are the non-leader types. That like to dictate, but lack leadership skills.

It doesn't mean they do not have potential to grow, mature and become productive members in the game. They originated from game types that built a competitive way of thinking, rather then true teamwork, and community ways of thinking.

Eventually they isolate themselves, and the real community leaders emerge. Leaders who have patience, skills, and leadership abilities. That help others reach goals. Rather then looked down on, they are looked up to, and built better in game friendships.

The toxic players end up rushing their way through, with no appreciation. Half of them have no clue what the game lore is about. Couldn't answer detailed questions, and missed aspects that are later expanded on. They are the firsts to go, and usually do not return.

They know the least about actual requirements for content. We see it clearly with Dungeons like wanderer's, CM, Prae, and AK. Perhaps they need higher armor, because they lack skill. They shout for people with armor, that really would have already progressed beyond it. Or they miss out on runs, waiting. Some are already being avoided. Some are blacklisted and do not realize their shouts are going unheard because of their "elitist" attitude. I didn't realize it until with other groups and mentioned a shout.. and 3 of them said they don't see them because those people are probably already blisted.

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Originally Posted by Rakhar

Drunken tanking is a viable strategy in this game? Tank jobs, here I come! (Former drunken tank from several other MMOs...so much fun.)

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It helps with the obnoxious people you run across in DF. Prae I'll definitely do with a good buzz. CM I can do while drunk. Spamming Flash until you run outta mp while your dps aoe's is definitely easy. Not to mention super easy single target rotations.