Show me where anyone is asking that? People are saying that they put in three months (some have been saving for longer than that, this "feature" hasn't exactly been a secret since the 1.0 days) of savings to give them more than enough for a small plot based on a price estimate given by Yoshi himself. Not a single person is saying give it for me for nothing. None. I also don't see anyone saying that the medium to large houses shouldn't be considerably more expensive than the entry level stuff, nor do I see anyone having any arguments about how long it takes to get/make furniture. The whole "get everything handed to you" argument is a strawman, and nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3motion
FFXIV's housing so far is subpar compared to the housing available in literally any other MMO simply because it's so costly that it can't really even be counted as a feature for some people, and only 80% are even going to get access to it in three months. That definitely makes it not a feature for the majority of the gaming community for this patch (it makes it a "feature" for the next patch, which is suppose to be three months away), even though it was heavily advertised as such.
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12-19-2013, 11:08 AMSunarie
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12-19-2013, 11:17 AM3motion
@ Sunarie
Lol...really sorry but the topic name already suggests reducing the prices to 1/10 of the current ones.
Now how much would a small plot cost on my server? 600-700k? How much effort is that? Around 20min for a 50 man guild if everyone donates?
That's literally getting handed out to you. -
12-19-2013, 11:20 AMMagicWand
They should call FC Housing to the Guild Leader housing patch. So we all have to give ONE person millions and millions of gil to buy him a guild house?! So we are all broke and he is sitting pretty with a nice plot of land. Now what if he decides to just kick people for whatever reason, those people are out of luck?
Whoever devised this idea for guild housing should be fired. I am no way giving away all my gil, how little it is to make sure my guild leader has a nice house that he will let others have access too. Because at the end, these FC housing are Guild Leader housing. -
12-19-2013, 11:22 AMSunarieAnd the creator of the topic is on a legacy server. His articles, and his posts, are about his prices. You also have to get your FC to rank 6 (so obviously some amount of work is required, even if the plot of land was free). For what a small plot is, how big it is, and the fact that you lose everything invested upon upgrading, it really should not be anything more than about 2.5mil for everyone. Just because you don't agree with slashing a 0 off -your- server's prices does not mean that all the prices are fine as is.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3motion
You must really hate FFXI, they gave you a house for free.. and everyone knows that game didn't require you to work for anything. <-sarcasm, in case you didn't catch it.
Also, before you go "well Yoshi said personal housing was going to be much cheaper".. he also said that about FC housing. -
12-19-2013, 11:36 AM3motionHey, I havent played FFXI so I cant say anything about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunarie
If he wants a zero slashed off on their prices, why can't we too? See that reasoning?
You can't please everyone in the game. It has and will always be like that.
I do not look down on you or your opinion nor try to bash you.
Also just sharing mine.
Edit : Oh and I won't reply to your post Roflcoptorz, even though you obviously meant me.
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12-19-2013, 11:45 AMSunarieYou're absolutely right, you cannot please everyone. However a game that wants to succeed is going to try and please most of it's player base, or at least try and get them to a point where they're -okay- with things but don't necessarily love them. Otherwise people quit and suddenly you're forced to shut down or go F2P.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3motion
You can want a price slash if you want, you obviously don't so I'm not even sure why you're saying that. Legacy players want to be brought down in line with others. And they have perfectly good reason. Their prices were way jacked up based on a few players having a lot of gil. Yoshi only cited a whooping 10, of everyone on the server. They don't get more per quest turn in, they don't get more per dungeon, and from what I have seen, their auction house prices are on par with those on the non-legacy servers. So since the in game economy and gil actually circulating (not just that being horded) seems to be about the same, why should their housing prices be higher?
Also, I wasn't arguing with you because of your opinion. I was pointing out you were/are making a strawman argument, which is putting words in people's mouth and distorting the actual problem. -
12-19-2013, 11:59 AM3motion
I dont see me putting words in ANY person's mouth nor being offtopic. That's just plain rude.
The problem is just that their Server has way too much gil.
You wouldn't know if it is one person hoarding it or him/her being in the minority of the poor people.
And hey, I would take a price slash too anyday, but then people will complain again if they reduce the prices proportional because of our server being too cheap :) -
12-19-2013, 12:15 PMSunarieSorry, but you are. Saying people want things handed to them is doing exactly that, seeing as absolutely no one has said it. You don't know whether they are spending it either, and not even Yoshi knows if they will even spend it on housing. I can tell you that people don't obtain a ton of money, and become rich (be it in game or real life) by spending it all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3motion
A lot of people got money through something that was overlooked going from 1.0 to 2.0, and which was really a bit of a dishonest thing to be doing. A lot of gil on that server is also likely RMT (I don't believe they got the mass bans that we suffered from a few months back because their players were able to bring gil in from 1.0, so people having a lot wasn't as suspicious). You don't punish players because a few are misbehaving. It isn't good business. That's it for me posting right now though.. seeing as I can actually play now that I have the game redownloaded.
I mentioned AH prices, as that is generally a fair indicator of gil in circulation. The more gil in circulation the less each individual gil is worth, and the higher price things are. So unless things on the legacy servers are for sell on the AH for 5x (or more) higher, then the circulation just isn't there to support the price difference. -
12-19-2013, 12:18 PMSleverinThis is exactly the problem...the Legacy servers are hit the worst and their claim is that "Well, y'all have more gil on the server itself, shouldn't be a problem of linear progression like the rest of the servers with obtaining gil." That's ridiculous. I came to this game with 250k gil, and there are many like me. YES there are people in my FC that have large sums of gil...2 people to be exact. And we looked at it and if they threw every single bit of gil in, we still wouldn't even be able to afford the cheapest large plot of land. Our LS transferred from 1.0 and had been working on making money for housing since then and since the beginning of 2.0. That's at least a year of paid subscription of people busting hump to be able to afford housing and then we get slapped with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper
Of course, people will ask, why do you want the large plot of land? If you check our Free Company, Pandemonium, we are the 10th on the server in active members out of 1300(ish), we are literally .8% of the population and have a good amount of members. The only people who beat us out in membership are essentially blanket invite shout FCs. Our heads have played the market, made an amazing chunk of change, and we still don't have enough to even get close to the cheap plots we would like. Have we not worked hard enough? Were weeks of materia SB farming and then fighting the markets and the RNG for new materia not enough? We now have to grind quests after beating out tons of people with our hard work? Simply because a small Illuminati-esque group HAS gil doesn't mean it should punish the server. There are 45 total large plots in the game...the largest FCs total less than that and that's assuming they all want one. -
12-19-2013, 12:32 PM3motionAnd I'm sorry too, if you don't read the replies thoroughly then theres no point in discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunarie
Last thing I want to point out is that the MB does indicate the gil circulation. Yes.
But it does not indicate how much gil a player has so stop bringing it up
Edit : Back to the game, spent quite alot of the time to read the pages actually