For all you warrior tanks out there... end game we are not viable.

Well, Inner Beast is only one part of it. To be honest, WARs best option to get topped off before a big hit is Wrath V and Thrill of Battle. Wrath V is going to give you more Healing than Inner Beast. Thrill of Battle is going to give you 20% more HP total. That's why I'm saying that Vit is very useful, to a point. All other self heals rely on Damage Dealt. While I'm not advocating against stacking Vit, I'm just saying that it will only take you so far.

The Max HP you can have is 9999, but self-heal, is infinite. I'm looking forward to exploring this option.

If it doesn't work out, Philo Tomestones are easy to get.

EDIT: As much as some folks will decry this decision!!

EDIT: 2 I'll only be losing 16 VIT with my choker upgrades. I'll immediately regain that when I upgrade my hands to Warrior's Gauntlets. I feel this will not impact my survive ability as much and may enhance it. Must try....

Yes at 9999 HP vit becomes less useful, but until you get there you need every ounce of survivability you can get in coil, especially since we are technically a gear tier below where we should be.

But yeah no harm in experimenting. Just remember that Keep is patched now and people won't be able to speed run it anymore.

I've learned that its largely useless to debate with WARs who are dead set on building strength even though they are playing a tank where the vit stat is 25% more powerful and is their only means of pre-emptively dealing with big boss attacks aside from foresight and Thrill of battle (HP based).

I don't disagree with that. AK teaches that certain gear is for certain roles. I'm not going to be dogmatic about anything above level 60 though. I'm not dead set on it, I'm just going to see how much difference it makes. If you're right, you're right...

I'm sure you feel that Vit is the be all and end all of WAR. However, I think the more we get into end game, the more we'll see the necessity of multiple gear sets. I don't think it is a poor investment in time and tomestones to experiment with possibilities.

I see a ton of whine and whatnot...... Guys, there is an easy way to fix this. If you are not happy as a war, LEVEL as a Pally. For goodness sake, you can SWITCH CLASSES. If the so called grass is greener, then shut up and switch over.

There is a reason they are not balanced. A pally is protective, and a War is offensive. That is just the way things are. Balancing everything just makes it to where no one will be able to do anything and it will all be nerfed. I mean look at EQ 1 and EQ 2 and what balancing did to those games.

Well i'm curious about Titan because i'm have full str points and was wondering if maybe i should switch to vit to get it done. i mostly off tank so im trying to decide if i can get by w/o changing it? Working on Bravura atm. and yet to get darklight so i sit about 5400. in dungeons

So I'm a bit confused. I get the math that shows warriors need more healing, but don't they also have self heals that a paladin does not have? It seems like they are getting ignored in all this discussion unless of course I'm missing something, which is possible.

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So I'm a bit confused. I get the math that shows warriors need more healing, but don't they also have self heals that a paladin does not have? It seems like they are getting ignored in all this discussion unless of course I'm missing something, which is possible.

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When healers are already heal spamming you, your own self heals are more likely than not to just be lost as overhealing - making them pointless. Not to mention if you use Inner Beast you lose your +heal debuff. Imagine if whenever a PLD used a skill every 20s, they lost 10% of Shield Oath's reduction.

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Well i'm curious about Titan because i'm have full str points and was wondering if maybe i should switch to vit to get it done. i mostly off tank so im trying to decide if i can get by w/o changing it? Working on Bravura atm. and yet to get darklight so i sit about 5400. in dungeons

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5400 is way to little. You need at least 6500-7k to survive Auto Attack Rock Buster and Mountain buster.

its based on warth stacks you need 5 in order to use inner beast. its part of the reason im currently favoring my war over paladin. Also 2nd Wind heals pretty nice on war i get about 400-600 most times. i try to balance Storm path 2nd wind and inner beast to take some of the load of the healer but i can be tough. I've yet to get to bahamuts coil and i have no intent to do it til i have full AF+1.

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5400 is way to little. You need at least 6500-7k to survive Auto Attack Rock Buster and Mountain buster.

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Thanks guess i'll go switch to vit for it. kind of makes me sad but oh well whats can you do. life of a tank. have hp take many hits lol