Yoshi suggests playing WOW for a year

Most of you remind me of my grandmother. Only hearing or reading the bad overlooking the whole picture/context, then poorly quoting it.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

No matter how many are actually active, they are active more than what FFXI active is. Therefore your argument is invalid. All your buds =/= 9 million people.

WoW may have been revolutionary, FFXI didn't get to do standardized the market. Therefor WoW > FFXI in terms of Business. What FFXIV is doing is making another revolutionary via inspiration of many MMOs including both FFXI and WoW.

If you want me to say the same thing lol here...

FFXI may have not been revolutionary for its time stomping out those 2D MMO's, but that day is over. Stop looking at it for inspiration your only going backwards if you do.


Your whole argument therefore are invalid.

I'm more than looking forward on how FFXIV will revolutionarize the MMO market industry than rather hearing people talking backwards about how bad is that other MMO that actually make more millions money than FFXI currently does.

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Some people cant be swayed by this, simply because they WANT to move backwards, back to the sandbox.

fanboys will be fanboys, and hate on everything else.

what is it about wow that people hate so much? and what about FFXIV is so great?

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Originally Posted by Radacci

fanboys will be fanboys, and hate on everything else.

what is it about wow that people hate so much? and what about FFXIV is so great?

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And what so great about FFXI either eh? seriously.. =.=

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

And what so great about FFXI either eh? seriously.. =.=

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never played it, so i dont know :)

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

And what so great about FFXI either eh? seriously.. =.=

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Mostly nostalgia. For many of us it was our first real MMO and we'll always look back on it fondly.

It did also have a great sense of achievement when it came to completing something or getting an item since you had to invest a lot of time and research into getting it, which was both good and bad. Good because you felt like a total baller when you got what you were going for, and bad because it pretty much just took time instead of legitimate skill.

A game like WoW is much more accessible, but I would argue heroic raids in that are considerably more challenging than FFXI's endgame, even when the game spells out exactly what every ability you'll encounter does. WoW's PVE is also incredibly fun, partially because of the accessibility (I gotta say, LFR is the best idea in a long time) but mostly due to the mechanics.

Screw that PvP though.

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Originally Posted by Powercow

A game like WoW is much more accessible, but I would argue heroic raids in that are considerably more challenging than FFXI's endgame, even when the game spells out exactly what every ability you'll encounter does. WoW's PVE is also incredibly fun, partially because of the accessibility (I gotta say, LFR is the best idea in a long time) but mostly due to the mechanics.

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I think you make a perfectly valid point but it is a matter of taste.

I have too played WoW. LFR raids nowadays have nothing to do with raiding or sense of achievement. I would even say that LFR killed WoW. This is not rage but you see subscriber numbers dropping drastically, especially since the annual passes are running out.

Comparing a "Deathwing LFR" to a Vanilla WoW 40-man raid of BWL, there is really nothing to compare. LFR has no sense of scale or achievement. You just enter, push a few buttons and win. It's a dull zerg and it doesn't matter at all if some people are standing around idly other than dodging a few ground AOEs. Back when you had to assemble 40 people on your own, you really felt like you achieved something, even tho the battle mechanics were mundane to follow.

While being able to just jump into a raid might sound awesome on paper, it removes one of the most important things an MMO offers—a community and achieving something together. The LFR would be exactly the same if you just did the encounter on your own with a bunch of bots, except that the bots wouldn't shout at you from time to time. If you dumb down an MMO so that everything is soloable (soloable even being raids where no one communicates or has to bring teamwork skills), you could just release it as a single-player RPG. And it wouldn't be good at that.

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Originally Posted by kazaran

Tellitubbies was very successful, but hurt the education value of th e youth.

There are many simple things many will flock too because of peers, but some prefer stimulation, and at least a developed story.

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This comment is win... too bad the world is full of silly faces who are amused by shiny objects.

Just read the quote in context. It's not that he's telling US to play FFXI. It's that he's telling his development team to play it.

The OP and title are misleading, as it sounds like Yoshi-P did the unthinkable and told us to play a different company's MMO. In actuality the quote was a hypothetical statement not directed at us at all.

Reading comprehension: is it a dying art?

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Originally Posted by Yrusama

Just read the quote in context. It's not that he's telling US to play FFXI. It's that he's telling his development team to play it.

The OP and title are misleading, as it sounds like Yoshi-P did the unthinkable and told us to play a different company's MMO. In actuality the quote was a hypothetical statement not directed at us at all.

Reading comprehension: is it a dying art?

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We were talking about what's so great about between FFXI and WoW. We know Yoshi-P didn't tell us to play a different MMO and at least we can discuss on why he has decided to play other MMO to make FFXIV look a standard MMO. Other than that, you are free to remind idiots who are thinking Yoshi-P told us to play something else.