I think FFXIV should be more political actually

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

nor any allusions to slavery.

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tell that to the guys outside the lancer guild

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Originally Posted by Exmo

They have an opinion I don't share. The world is big enough for both of us. Is that ok with you?

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Cool opinion, but why you trying to frame it as an objective fact in your arguments? lol

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Cool opinion, but why you trying to frame it as an objective fact in your arguments? lol

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I would argue its not an opinion. FFIX may not appear to be political at all if you just weren't looking for it, or missed it, etc. However I think certain people on XIV's own writing team and some of its fans, are in a current political climate where if the politics are not slapping you in the face with an all or nothing agenda that paints the reader as a saint or the devil, then they simply see nothing at all.

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

I would argue its not an opinion. FFIX may not appear to be political at all if you just weren't looking for it, or missed it, etc. However I think certain people on XIV's own writing team and some of its fans, are in a current political climate where if the politics are not slapping you in the face with an all or nothing agenda that paints the reader as a saint or the devil, then they simply see nothing at all.

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"I have an opinion"
"I would argue its not an opinion"

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Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe

I would argue its not an opinion. FFIX may not appear to be political at all if you just weren't looking for it, or missed it, etc. However I think certain people on XIV's own writing team and some of its fans, are in a current political climate where if the politics are not slapping you in the face with an all or nothing agenda that paints the reader as a saint or the devil, then they simply see nothing at all.

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And therein lies my whole point. You have to dig pretty deep and make some pretty bold assumptions to link anything in that game to a modern political or social talking point. You are correct that there is a difference between loose and generalized topics and putting something extremely specific into a game where it makes little sense. Imagine if Black Mage Village mages started talking about the means of production or how bad capitalism is. Or if some NPC in Lindblum started shouting about needing to tear the system down because the steam powered airships contribute to climate change. It would be 100 percent jarring, odd, and completely out of place, yet that kind of stuff seeps into a LOT of modern fiction where it makes little sense. I just want that very specific, agenda promoting stuff that causes absolute s- slinging in the fanbase to not seep into games I love. That's all I want. I wouldn't even want to see divisive points I agree with being shoved down other people's throats. It's meant to be an escape, after all. Otherwise, I'm fine with all of the stuff you listed that makes sense in the setting that is subtle, invokes deep thoughts, and isn't preachy.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

It was weird that the JP script used him/her for the faries in the first but the western localization turned them androgynous for no reason outside of brownie points. Though the western localization has always been shaky. Wonder when we will get to see the blue blood clan that the song Rise was talking about. :^)

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Is there structurally a problem with the idea of the fae being genderless? I think it makes sense for what they are.

Also I believe the Illuminati are called something along the lines of "Blue Hand" in Japanese. It's also their clan symbol.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Cool opinion, but why you trying to frame it as an objective fact in your arguments? lol

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What arguments do you think I'm making?

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

It was weird that the JP script used him/her for the faries in the first but the western localization turned them androgynous for no reason outside of brownie points. Though the western localization has always been shaky. Wonder when we will get to see the blue blood clan that the song Rise was talking about. :^)

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I don't have a problem with that change but as LGBT rep it feels empty when you can say they're not human as the excuse. Especially since they're probably the closest thing we get to trans characters in the MSQ and 7.3's now the third time they've added the creepy queer guy stereotype.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

What arguments do you think I'm making?

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Heck if I know, it's your job to convey your thoughts into words, not mine. So far every time I come across you, you seem to have this issue. :/

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Originally Posted by StormChase

I don't have a problem with that change but as LGBT rep it feels empty when you can say they're not human as the excuse. Especially since they're probably the closest thing we get to trans characters in the MSQ and 7.3's now the third time they've added the creepy queer guy stereotype.

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My issue is that it was changed from the JP source to this. It comes off as pandering at the least and defacing the source's script at worst.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Is there structurally a problem with the idea of the fae being genderless? I think it makes sense for what they are.

Also I believe the Illuminati are called something along the lines of "Blue Hand" in Japanese. It's also their clan symbol.

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It's called a joke, I know they are called Blue Hand in the JP script so why change it? Localization doesn't mean you openly change names. (Or perhaps it does since translating seems to be secondary to localizing a work)

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

My issue is that it was changed from the JP source to this. It comes off as pandering at the least and defacing the source's script at worst.

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I don't know what the deal with the fae is in the Japanese version, but I'm guessing if the localization team got the okay on making them genderless then there was probably already something that made it make sense.