Greenlight NA and EU Travel

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

This is the point I've been trying to make in this thread. It's not a bad idea at some future time but this is absolutely not the time to implement this. NA DC players can't freely visit our own DCs right now unless it's Dynamis because of the restrictions put in about congested servers. Some DCs have only congested servers. A lot of people on other DCs get around this (my own static's Dynamis member for instance) by coming over at an early morning point when a server isn't congested and then parking on the DC for the time they want to do content there. So our servers never become non-congested. Now there would be the potential that EU players could come over and do the same thing and might even prevent some people who can travel now from being able to travel. It's not a good time for DC Travel on NA DCs.

It's not a bad idea for the future but SE has GOT to fix this issue where we can't even visit each other among our own region's DCs freely before they add EU doing it to the mix.

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Easy fix...region wide PF.

I don't disagree with the issue about Aether congestion. However, I believe it's being overestimated how many people from EU are going to go over to Aether; when that's not the only NA DC that exists in the first place. If we assume people go to Aether to raid, then EU won't have a reason to go to Aether just to PF when 1. Most likely at their good time NA might be asleep or PF on NA won't be as active during EU peak. 2. Why would you sacrifice ping to raid? Probably just to play with friends, but again, this number might be overestimated. 3. People from NA can go to EU too, not everyone wants to go over to NA all of a sudden.

I do believe this topic and the other are just seperate things. I only made this thread because Yoshi himself said they have the tech and is waiting for the community to greenlight.

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Originally Posted by shoba

I don't disagree with the issue about Aether congestion. However, I believe it's being overestimated how many people from EU are going to go over to Aether; when that's not the only NA DC that exists in the first place. If we assume people go to Aether to raid, then EU won't have a reason to go to Aether just to PF when 1. Most likely at their good time NA might be asleep or PF on NA won't be as active during EU peak. 2. Why would you sacrifice ping to raid? Probably just to play with friends, but again, this number might be overestimated. 3. People from NA can go to EU too, not everyone wants to go over to NA all of a sudden.

I do believe this topic and the other are just seperate things. I only made this thread because Yoshi himself said they have the tech and is waiting for the community to greenlight.

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It isn't just Aether. If Primal or Crystal or even Dynamis have no non-congested servers, nobody currently on NA can travel to those DCs. Dynamis is usually the most open. When I've looked to go to Crystal or Primal, they always have mostly congested servers, too. The only difference from Aether is there's usually some that aren't.

And it's not just about raiding. It's about people coming to join friends, or visit venues, or any other reason people would hop DCs for. If nobody would come over, then there would be no point of this thread. But since people would come over, it would add to the problems we already have on NA.

And I'm opposing your community greenlight because NA can't handle this right now and having players from EU would only make our current problems worse. They have to fix the issue they caused with these restrictions first so NA can travel freely among our DCs again.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

Easy fix...region wide PF.

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This has nothing to do with PF. This is about DC travel in general on NA right now. It's hit or miss if I can do something as simple as visit a friend on another NA DC because it could be a time where there aren't any non-congested servers available.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

It isn't just Aether. If Primal or Crystal or even Dynamis have no non-congested servers, nobody currently on NA can travel to those DCs. Dynamis is usually the most open. When I've looked to go to Crystal or Primal, they always have mostly congested servers, too. The only difference from Aether is there's usually some that aren't.

And it's not just about raiding. It's about people coming to join friends, or visit venues, or any other reason people would hop DCs for. If nobody would come over, then there would be no point of this thread. But since people would come over, it would add to the problems we already have on NA.

And I'm opposing your community greenlight because NA can't handle this right now and having players from EU would only make our current problems worse. They have to fix the issue they caused with these restrictions first so NA can travel freely among our DCs again.



This has nothing to do with PF. This is about DC travel in general on NA right now. It's hit or miss if I can do something as simple as visit a friend on another NA DC because it could be a time where there aren't any non-congested servers available.

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There's no "issue", this is purely SE pretending that the game is booming with players while in fact... it isnt.

https://steamcharts.com/app/39210

We havent been at such a low point since december 2023, where is the so called congestion ? Why is Balmung open for new character creation, while at the same time being congested for world visit and DC travel ? Those are both good questions to ask yourself and question if any of this "congestion" makes any sense at all.

Even the so called "aether is the raiding dc" has simply moved to primal, people will always congregate on the same servers and datacenters, this happens in every single MMO and FFXIV isnt exempt from that.

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Originally Posted by PassinLay

There's no "issue", this is purely SE pretending that the game is booming with players while in fact... it isnt.

https://steamcharts.com/app/39210

We havent been at such a low point since december 2023, where is the so called congestion ? Why is Balmung open for new character creation, while at the same time being congested for world visit and DC travel ? Those are both good questions to ask yourself and question if any of this "congestion" makes any sense at all.

Even the so called "aether is the raiding dc" has simply moved to primal, people will always congregate on the same servers and datacenters, this happens in every single MMO and FFXIV isnt exempt from that.

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I'm not in the "steam charts never mean anything" camp but with XIV being active on its separate PC client and Playstation 4/5 for a long time it's hard to know for sure how much the metrics in 1 platform reflect the overall player activity of the game itself.
Xbox's userbase for example is very tiny compared to the rest, so its numbers wouldn't have meant anything. How does steam compare to the other two? It's hard to tell.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

And I'm opposing your community greenlight because NA can't handle this right now and having players from EU would only make our current problems worse. They have to fix the issue they caused with these restrictions first so NA can travel freely among our DCs again.

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I do not think, that this will be a big problem for NA players. Because the time shift is very suboptimal for us EU players. The EU is +5 hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time. So if you have 8:00 pm, for us it is already 1:00 am or 2:00 am. And at that time, most people are in bed. :)



Cheers

I have a somewhat serious solution:

If we look at the replies, its clear that the ones who are against it, are mostly doing so for reasons related to raiding.
If the raiding scene is what is holding back the whole thing, make it so that the hardest content you can do while having people in your party from a different region is Extreme trials (if even that).
Boom, done.

This way Savage and Ultimate Andies wont travel and cause drama with their strat differences and wont overload 1 specific place to cause congestion to fill their party finder faster.
Meanwhile other people who just want to play together across regions can do so while hanging out in the open world, or doing daily roulettes.

Lets be honest here for a second, we all know its not the second group of people who would have issues with "cultural differences".

That being said, while EU and NA for example can work flawlessly because 95% use english to communicate by default, JP is another story.
The language barrier between JP and basicly any other region is way too high to make it work realistically so it wouldn't be much use for it. And this is me saying it, someone who loves Japan.

Japan having language and cultural difference is no reason to block the other 70% of the player base in EU/NA/Oceania, just enable it for EU/NA/OCE. For me that just a prime example of SE proving they gatekeep the game for "western" players due to the JP community which people already believe a lot anyways.

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Originally Posted by AyumiCosplayGlam

I have a somewhat serious solution:

If we look at the replies, its clear that the ones who are against it, are mostly doing so for reasons related to raiding.
If the raiding scene is what is holding back the whole thing, make it so that the hardest content you can do while having people in your party from a different region is Extreme trials (if even that).
Boom, done.

This way Savage and Ultimate Andies wont travel and cause drama with their strat differences and wont overload 1 specific place to cause congestion to fill their party finder faster.
Meanwhile other people who just want to play together across regions can do so while hanging out in the open world, or doing daily roulettes.

Lets be honest here for a second, we all know its not the second group of people who would have issues with "cultural differences".

That being said, while EU and NA for example can work flawlessly because 95% use english to communicate by default, JP is another story.
The language barrier between JP and basicly any other region is way too high to make it work realistically so it wouldn't be much use for it. And this is me saying it, someone who loves Japan.

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Nah people also mentioned venues and stuff. Honestly if it happened so the only hardest content you can do is Extreme then that's also gonna piss off a lot (including me tbh) cause there're statics with a mix of people from NA or EU or friends in general too. I think especially raiding (esp ultimates) have a smaller scene compared to something like RP or what the general does like lettes. People issues is just congestion rather than strat overlap.

I think the fear that raiders would flock to Aether are way overblown. We have our own "raiding DC" in Light and I seriously doubt most EU raiders would want to raid on Aether just because it's Aether. Many of us can't raid on US servers to begin with because our ping would be insane, which isn't exactly condusive to doing content that requires fast reactions. As other people have pointed out, time zone differences are also a major limiter - eastern US is 6 hours behind me, western is 10. I have to get up at 4 am on Saturdays in order to play DnD with my American friends. I can't do that during the week in order to raid, I have to go to work. The FFXIV population seems to be quite old, everyone I know who plays has their hands full of some combination of work/family/university, our schedules can't just be upended.