LOLPATCH 1.16a

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Originally Posted by BelgianRofl

What are games supposed to be? Fun. If a game is not fun, the game is broken.

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Ah, belgian, you're getting easier and easier :D

Fun = subjective definition
Broken = absolute definition

Ergo "fun" and "broken" have nothing to do with each other.

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Originally Posted by viion

But there is also the silently forgotten concept that: If you listened to us during BETA you'd not have half the problems you do now.

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Listen to *who* exactly?
Statements like this are always quite funny, as people think they represent or represented the general opinion. Betas normally fail in identifying and solve big problems that aren't simple bugs prior to launch. Why? Because people have different tastes and expectation. The beta forum was no different than this one, a silly chaos full of people bickering over the smallest detail and expressing diametrally opposite opinion. So to who should have square enix listened to exactly?

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Length of time vs amout of updates/fixes
SE: ----------------------------------------------> = 15
Other ----------->=20----------->=20--------->=20

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Actually this is a completely arbitrary (and plain false) estimate, with no ground in reality. They are being quite faster than most (if not all) the market at patching the game, especially considering that they are overhauling fundamental game mechanics, and not just adding content that was already in development much prior to the game's release.
Making up a graph based on nothing doesn't really help your hate arguments :D

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

You do know this isn't one of those standard MMO's that comes out horrible and they can never fix it this is SE. FFXIV is a title to there franchise so when they say there going to fix it and make it better thats exactly what they mean. Just look at ffxi started horrible and turned out great. They wont make Final Fantasy 15 Too they have FFXIV at is prime. The reason we praising yoshi because he a very smart man and he can turn this game around. If you still here and posting somewhere you think the same if not you would have left and play something else.

Sure it standard for mmo to do it but this is SE we talking about not a 2 hand company who just start out making a mmo or a game for that matter.

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You are right, this game is nowhere near being a Standard MMO! That i will give you and yes SE is not a 2 hand company starting making a MMO, but they might as well have been since they just failed as hard as any other one that did :) I mean we are talking about the company that made FFXI are we Not? Yet FFXIV is miles and leaps behind FFXI in every aspect of the game, FFXI was a good MMORPG, did it start horribly ? Yes it did, is it a good game now ? Yes it is, and who made it that way ? Tanaka did, is tanaka behind FFXIV ? No he is not, so how is FFXIV gonna turn into something equal or better than FFXI ? Oh yeah yoshi, sorry i forget you guy's seem to have selective memory at times, it seems you guys like to think FFXI turned the way it did, for all the reasons but tanaka(When in reality he was the producer of the game) yet any tiny little thing that makes this game even a little bit better is credited to the all holy Yoshi-P(Double standard much?)

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Originally Posted by Ostia

Would it make you feel better if we said the game is not "Broken" and instead said it is not performing in any way shape or form as Expected ?

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You didn't answer my question:

Is my career broken because I'm not having fun programming?

There's still a difference between broken and not broken -- not having fun isn't "broken", you're not having fun because you're not enjoying yourself.

You walk onto a pressure plate, the door doesn't open = broken.

You walk onto the pressure plate, the door slowly opens = not broken.

One is an absolute, one can be optimized. Considering this is my field of work I'm pretty biased when it comes to this term though.

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Originally Posted by Amaya

Why are you so mad about people actually praising Yoshi? Honestly why would it bother you?

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For the reasons zanaku and i already posted :)

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Originally Posted by Ostia

For the reasons zanaku and i already posted :)

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Your such a waste of time.

I think tanaka would have been the better man but it seem the CEO and stockholder have to blame someone for there own mistake of release the game. The stockholder were most likely scared of not making enough money back and told them to release it 2010. Seeing how stockholder have a big say in anything SE does, Tanaka did the right thing and blame himself and said it in the letter this is me getting off and letting someone else lead. It's a company you can't blame the person who pay your check can you? not double standard Yoshi is doing things in the new way that players are into for all we know tanaka could be still doing his work and Yoshi is noting but a face. yes a lot of ppl are credited yoshi for tanaka work but w/e he doing something players like i guess.

That my last word to you.

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Originally Posted by Ostia

ORLY!?! Is that before the horrible backlash from reviews & Critics ? Or when they don't even charge ? or when they even postpone their release for another console ? Or when the company makes a public apology ? Or when the leading team gets thrown overboard ?

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Actually no one got thrown overboard.Tanaka included. I believe this isn't even the first time you're told this: there have been no known layoffs over FFXIV.
There are developers that are able to assess the fact that their game has issues, and work to solve them. This doesn't make the game "broken " (since every single aspect of the game is perfectly playable).
It simply means what it says, the game has issues and they are working on them.
Unfortunately some can't give up using spiteful and hyperbolic terms that have nothing to do with the game's situation.

But yeah, someone asked you if you're even playing the game, and what level you are. Given the unconstructiveness of your usual postage, I would say it's a curiosity I share, because you don't even seem to be aware of the state of the game at all.

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Originally Posted by Ostia

You are right, this game is nowhere near being a Standard MMO!

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And who decides what the standard is?
Who decides what areas of the game count towards the standard and what not? I could think quite a few areas of FFXIV that are quite above the market standard. Graphics, art direction and music being three prominent ones.

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That i will give you and yes SE is not a 2 hand company starting making a MMO, but they might as well have been since they just failed as hard as any other one that did :) I mean we are talking about the company that made FFXI are we Not? Yet FFXIV is miles and leaps behind FFXI in every aspect of the game, FFXI was a good MMORPG, did it start horribly ? Yes it did, is it a good game now ? Yes it is, and who made it that way ? Tanaka did, is tanaka behind FFXIV ? No he is not, so how is FFXIV gonna turn into something equal or better than FFXI ? Oh yeah yoshi, sorry i forget you guy's seem to have selective memory at times, it seems you guys like to think FFXI turned the way it did, for all the reasons but tanaka(When in reality he was the producer of the game) yet any tiny little thing that makes this game even a little bit better is credited to the all holy Yoshi-P(Double standard much?)

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You seem to think that people erroneously attributing FFXIV's launch flaws exclusively to tanaka is a good reason to hate and continuously rile on Yoshida.

By the way, Tanaka was the *producer* of FFXIV, Tanaka didn't *make* FFXI into a good game. The team did, and the team is made by quite a few key figures. Quite obviously you don't have the role of a producer very clear in mind?

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Originally Posted by Amaya

Your such a waste of time.

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Don't waste it, you need it to grind on dodo's after all.

And zenaku: Yeah w/e you just said all i said with the theory that tanaka is doing all the work and yoshi is a con.

GJ!

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Originally Posted by Ostia

Don't waste it, you need it to grind on dodo's after all.

And zenaku: Yeah w/e you just said all i said with the theory that tanaka is doing all the work and yoshi is a con.

GJ!

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Your so pathetic your life that insignificant that your only option is to waste your time annoying others? Your the reason i stay away from these forums.

Wow Abigail, I hope for your sake that you do not aspire to be a trial lawyer.

I understand that it is a difficult task to convince a jury that this game is indeed not broken - especially when you know it yourself and when taking into consideration everything that has happened within the last 6-months. Unfortunately, the problem at hand is too large to divert the jury's attention from the game to whether or not a used description is subjective.

Also, the fans who visit this web-forum are not the jury. It's everyone else who needs convincing... It is not your job to do so. It's Square-Enix's job. And the only way they are going to be able to do so is with results.