Even our content creators cannot pretend to like the trashy writings of Dawntrail.

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Originally Posted by Dranni

To add to this, having that video out helped the community at large not to be afraid to speak their mind about the state of the game if they felt critical of it. It's no secret that criticisms of the game were frowned upon, which prevented people from speaking up, fearing backlash.

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If they fear speaking up, then they need to grow a backbone as an adult. While there are some very vocal people who frown on criticisms of the game, most are adults that don't have a problem with opposing opinions.

No one should let those who are intolerant live rent free in their head.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If they fear speaking up, then they need to grow a backbone as an adult. While there are some very vocal people who frown on criticisms of the game, most are adults that don't have a problem with opposing opinions.

No one should let those who are intolerant live rent free in their head.

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Your response displays a complete lack of empathy. Not everyone is an alpha type that can withstand an angry mob of players ready to crucify anyone daring to criticize the game.

Zepla's video gave these people a voice and showed them they were not alone in how they felt about the game.

I watched a bit of that VoD before the OPs clip. The context is valid, she wanted to like the MSQ, and was enjoying it. But forgetting a character you just met only for Wuk to "remind you" literally broke her. That wasn't "Asmon bating" you witnessed a full body eyeroll.

She's saying the exact same thing a lot of us have been saying, and the cult is mad because her audience also has a healthy normey audience.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If they fear speaking up, then they need to grow a backbone as an adult. While there are some very vocal people who frown on criticisms of the game, most are adults that don't have a problem with opposing opinions.

No one should let those who are intolerant live rent free in their head.

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Are you familiar with the great community by the way? I am sure you know what happens to those who speak out against the game our great community inhabits if they are all by themselves and are not emboldened by others.

Most people don't fear the actual adults. The people they fear are those who don't know how to behave like adults despite being old enough to be called one. These failed adults are vindictive enough as to harass those who speak out both in and out of game.

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Originally Posted by Gaddes

I didn't say she wasn't a big FFXIV streamer, I was saying I would prefer to hear from someone who has generally always been positive towards the game up to now and hadn't gotten onto the profitable hatetrain for FFXIV at some point. With how she spoke about Endwalker, why would it be any kind of powerful new statement to hear her speak negatively on Dawntrail? Now if Jesse or Preach or someone similar have a long conversation of how Dawntrail has de-railed their interest, I will be incredibly interested to hear their thoughts.

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"I would rather hear from someone who has never said anything negative about the game! People that don't like it are only jumping on the hatetrain for attention! But people that suck the game off all the time, THOSE are the people I can trust!"

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The question is whether the developers care about the specific opinions of the content creators, or if they care about how content creators represent the game to their viewers. The difference is subtle but important.

Based on the all the comments YoshiP made to Zepla during the media tour general Q&A per the way she recounted it, he seems to be more interested in the latter. The "thank you for the video" was just a lead in to "don't do it that way in the future".

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I don't think Yoshida is this kind of person tbh. It seemed more to me like "thanks for the video even though those were some harsh words".
"Don't do that in the future" would be a thread. Let's not go on that ice.

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Originally Posted by Sheriyana

You know there's other things to the game besides story? And can you people stop using this stupid argument already. You're not even addressing the criticism, just telling people to leave because you don't like they have negative opinions.

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Don't pop a blood vessel. The way I read your comment, it seemed like you were talking about the game in general.

But yeah, you're right, after that response I would prefer if you stopped playing LMAO

Feel free to let me know what argument I'm supposedly making and what criticism there is to address in what amounts to "the last expansion was bad, all of the patches that came before it was bad, the writer that everyone thinks is good is bad actually, and the current writer is also bad"

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Originally Posted by Tehmon

Oh this is rich. You all group around content creators who have takes you personally agree with as well. It's not only the '' toxic positive XIV cultists '' that do this, so this accusations rings hollow.

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idk, the main complain people have with content creator that review the game ''Positively'' is the way they ''Dodge'' saying that something is bad, like they are scared to offend their audience. Like it the reason I don't watch streamer for this MMO, you can have friendly debate on their take on anything cause they just wont do takes on the game. Again, there a reason people jokingly call this a cult

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Originally Posted by AlysanneVrannai

The story writers desperately need a heavy-handed editor to hem them in and keep them from spiraling down very weird repetitive dialogue and story beats. There is a general lack of focus that is very bad, especially if you don't feel engaged with the themes and characters.

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I agree on the editing. A major problem with the current content imo is that devs are trying too hard to keep cutscene skippers and people who do one quest per night up to date on story by absolutely drenching us in exposition, even just between quests. One entire quest will be long exposition with a talking cutscene at the end, then you pick up the next quest and it brings straight into more exposition. It's wall to wall of people restating what just happened in a cutscene, or restating what you just talked about or did, to the 100th degree as though you are logging out or tabbing out every other minute of gameplay. They need to stop worrying about this. There are other ways in the game to get up to speed on what is going on if that's even necessary. Many people chain quests together and it can be a total slog.

There needs to be less dialogue overall as well-- characters need to speak more concisely even considering the traditional way of speaking. There needs to be less npcs entering msq just ranting off exposition and remaining ones should say more meaningful things in less time. Stop wasting dev time on useless models and useless redundant dialogue.

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Originally Posted by ZavosEsperian

Are you familiar with the great community by the way? I am sure you know what happens to those who speak out against the game our great community inhabits if they are all by themselves and are not emboldened by others.

Most people don't fear the actual adults. The people they fear are those who don't know how to behave like adults despite being old enough to be called one. These failed adults are vindictive enough as to harass those who speak out both in and out of game.

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Sadly, this comment is perfectly relevant on these forums as well, except the ones being spoken of would be those of the negative echo chamber here. As another poster just said:

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Not everyone is an alpha type that can withstand an angry mob of players ready to crucify anyone daring to criticize the game.

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Trying be positive on these forums and talking about how you like the game and watch the bitter cabal descend on you.

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"I would rather hear from someone who has never said anything negative about the game! People that don't like it are only jumping on the hatetrain for attention! But people that suck the game off all the time, THOSE are the people I can trust!"

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Perfect case in point for the above ;) (And to the person I'm quoting, to spell it out for you, the person you're responding to was pointing out that hearing negative takes from people who have been negative for awhile just doesn't really mean anything. If people who have always been positive about the game started going negative, however, it would lend the criticism more validity.)