6.4 patch speculation

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Originally Posted by 15725462

Simple, Hingashi (not Doma) is based as entirely a copy paste of real life Edo period Japan. So any lore elements/aesthetic element/etc, they make for Hingashi, will not require too much creative time to create because they can just take inspiration or even straight out copy paste from Japan and since they obviously know their culture, there would be no issue doing it correctly too.
It's just easier for devs this way. Hingashi is boring in every way possible.

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This is itself a really lazy and, frankly, borderline-offensive way to look at the situation. Just because a part of the setting is closer to the real world, doesn't mean that it's the 'easy option', and the fact you seem to think it is and that's why says more about your levels of creativity than anyone else's.

I think they're picking Hingashi because it's actually a really good choice for what variant dungeons can do. Don't get me wrong, I would've preferred plumbing the depths of a lost part of the Shroud too, but a strength of variant dungeons is that it's a piece of content that can tell multiple different stories in the same place, fleshing out a part of the world more than a single focused dungeon. Sil'dih used that quite well to deepen parts of the Thanalan's story that were only vaguely implied and show that Ul'dah isn't just any one part of its past, and Mount Rokkon could use the same to get a lot of even worldbuilding out of an area that has very little, while just, say, a Hingashi regular dungeon risks defining inner Hingashi purely as one thing.

...of course, all that is assuming Mount Rokkon is in fact Hingan. I'm conscious that we don't actually know that for sure, we've just been assuming that because it's a more interesting option than Doma.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

But there is a mystery with Golbez, which is rooted in his identity behind the mask and who/what was he before 13th was corrupted. Are they really going to just gloss over this to get to another story entirely? Their track record says no.

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Yoshi-p's comment that 6.4 will have different meaning/understanding after 6.5 kinda points to this idea that Golbez isn't exactly what we think he is.

Last time Yoshi-p spoke like this was about 5.2 and 5.3, where information we learned in 5.3 (that Elidibus was a primal and still alive as the heart of Zodiark) changed the meaning of something from 5.2 (being that Venat was specifically used to create the heart of Hydealyn) which then had major implications later in the story (Venat's role in Endwalker, past and present).

So we are going to be handed a crucial piece of lore pertaining to Golbez and his throne, but won't really understand the consequences of it until later in the story.

M'naago delivery quest is pretty much the only Ala Mhigo "restoration" we're going to have

Umm.... forgive me if this is a dumb question, and I know it's not lore related, but....

Is Mount "Rokkon" a deliberate play on words? Is it attempting to invoke Mount "Rock ON!"?

I apologize if this is decoupling the thread from it's purpose, I simply didn't see any better place to ask it.

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Originally Posted by Kesey

Yoshi-p's comment that 6.4 will have different meaning/understanding after 6.5 kinda points to this idea that Golbez isn't exactly what we think he is.

Last time Yoshi-p spoke like this was about 5.2 and 5.3, where information we learned in 5.3 (that Elidibus was a primal and still alive as the heart of Zodiark) changed the meaning of something from 5.2 (being that Venat was specifically used to create the heart of Hydealyn) which then had major implications later in the story (Venat's role in Endwalker, past and present).

So we are going to be handed a crucial piece of lore pertaining to Golbez and his throne, but won't really understand the consequences of it until later in the story.

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That's a very intriguing proposition, I cannot lie. Could we receive a revelation that will change what we think we know about the nature Voidsent fundamentally? Most of that lore was established in ARR and Heavensward eras, so now would be an ideal time to launch a bomb into our midst I'd wager. I'm hungering like Y'shtola right now. Give me that juicy knowledge, Square!

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Originally Posted by TowaIsBestGirl

Is Mount "Rokkon" a deliberate play on words? Is it attempting to invoke Mount "Rock ON!"?

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Nah. "Rokkon" is a Japanese word used in Buddhism that refers to the six senses (the mind/consciousness is considered the sixth sense in this context, if I understand correctly). Phonetically, both o's in "Rokkon" sound like "oh".

So I checked out the 6.4 site today for fun and I saw something. There is a tagline now below the page heading "New Story" that I don't think was there before: In Shadow Looms the Usurper's Seat

Forgive me if this is old news and I am just blind. lol

But, yeah, so I guess that title ties in to the Japanese title of the patch being "The Throne's Criminal". Usurpers are people who criminally take a throne. Which either hints that Golbez isn't the original occupant of said throne, or that he's going to be usurped. I'm guessing the former, though it might be both.

As for what the throne is, then, (b/c this all implies to me that there was a "throne" prior to Golbez taking it) maybe its just him having repurposed the Watcher's "palace" on the 13th's moon, having killed that shard's watcher. (Or at least destroyed or absorbed him, cus I'm not sure they're technically alive enough to die?) Or maybe the throne in question is referring to Zodiark's role in things, and just saying that Golbez has set up shop in the Cradle of Darkness, "usurping" his rightful place?

Also, how likely is it that Golbez has eaten the piece of Zodiark that used to be on this shard, you think?

Or perhaps that bit of Zodiark is what the ascians screwed up with on the 13th. The 13th was their first try at their plans. What if, before they came up with the rejoining of worlds plan, they tried to just go straight to unsealing the part of zodiark on the shard and the piece got absorbed by the lifestream or dispersed/destroyed and that was what ultimately resulted in making a "useless void" of the 13th.

Random, but an add on to my last post: The “o” in “Throne” in the patch title is the auto attack symbol from in game. I doubt it means anything at all but it was really bugging me that it felt so familiar and yet I couldn’t place it. Then I was messing around with macros and saw. So yeah. Guess someone saw how practically no one ever uses the actual button and was like “This art asset shall not die!” lol

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Originally Posted by Alleluia

Random, but an add on to my last post: The “o” in “Throne” in the patch title is the auto attack symbol from in game. I doubt it means anything at all but it was really bugging me that it felt so familiar and yet I couldn’t place it. Then I was messing around with macros and saw. So yeah. Guess someone saw how practically no one ever uses the actual button and was like “This art asset shall not die!” lol

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Wait, auto attack? Auto attacking means somebody isn't putting their heart into it...

*tinfoil hat comes on*
Golbez will not be throwing his full power at us in the trial so we can win, which will actually set his real plan into motion!
*takes off tinfoil hat*

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Wait, auto attack? Auto attacking means somebody isn't putting their heart into it...

*tinfoil hat comes on*
Golbez will not be throwing his full power at us in the trial so we can win, which will actually set his real plan into motion!
*takes off tinfoil hat*

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Golbez is Fandaniel confirmed. lol

Is that Fandaniel's symbol? I was hoping it would be Pashtarot.