Console Players don't need Addons

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

So why do you?

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I think there is a typo in ur title, let me fix it for u: "Console Players r unable to use addons, and sometimes wish they could"

There really isn't any actual argument to make to say that addons are NECESSARY unless its an accessibility issue like being actually colorblind or something. To say that the game should be better and have the plugin features in the game just misses the point. I agree with it but at the end of the day it does nothing to prove the argument of "but console players can clear ultimate" wrong at all. If it WAS actually necessary then they shouldn't have been able to clear it. Therefore it isn't, simple. I'm very much looking forward to these QoL changes coming from this fiasco.

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Originally Posted by Link941

There really isn't any actual argument to make to say that addons are NECESSARY unless its an accessibility issue like being actually colorblind or something. To say that the game should be better and have the plugin features in the game just misses the point. I agree with it but at the end of the day it does nothing to prove the argument of "but console players can clear ultimate" wrong at all. If it WAS actually necessary then they shouldn't have been able to clear it. Therefore it isn't, simple. I'm very much looking forward to these QoL changes coming from this fiasco.

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but u see, that is like saying "anyone can be a billionaire, even u"

just because something is possible, does not mean it has any realistic chance of happening for most individuals

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

"Console players do not have access to addons, but surely some of them would like to have (whether 1st or 3rd party)."

fixed it. what do you all like? : )

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And yet, they still clear the content just fine, content which is designed to be cleared without them in the first place.

What is the argument here, that it's too hard and you'd like it to be easier? You think the content is badly designed? Which is it?

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Originally Posted by MediArgentum

Core of the big problem in this whole situation here is: plugins that interface with the game data and decrease the difficulty of the content (of dungeons, trials or raids) by doing so.

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So just to confirm. If the addon has to meet both parts of your criteria to not be QoL, then ACT should be ok right? It doesn't do anything but report your DPS, so it has no bearing on the content itself.

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Originally Posted by MediArgentum

They do. All plugins break ToS. Innocent QoL plugins included. However, despite of this, innocent QoL plugins like GShade and Chat Bubble aren't a problem. I don't know about this BDTH, so I can't tell you how innocent that one is or isn't.

Core of the big problem in this whole situation here is: plugins that interface with the game data and decrease the difficulty of the content (of dungeons, trials or raids) by doing so.

So let us drop these "It's just nice QoL features" argument, because, yes, we already know that. Plugins that just fall into this "Nice QoL features" category aren't a real problem (yes, they still break ToS but most likely you won't be banned for it). Real problem is that other category I've described above in bold text. Re-read it again, to let it sink in.

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This argument would have teeth, if one of the banned streamers wasn't banned simply for having visible ACT and Dalamud QOL plugins on his screen. He wasn't Cactbotting or Paisley Parking, just had visual upgrades and a damage meter.

He was punished anyway, because 5ch is pitching a fit, and Square is going on a small streamer ban wave to capitulate to that fit.

Most of the smug "plugins are CHEATING" in this forum clearly comes from people who don't know what they do, don't care, and prefer feeling like superior TOS-justicars on their high horses over reading up on what plugins actually do and asking for some of the *incredibly* useful feature ideas you can find there.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

And yet, they still clear the content just fine, content which is designed to be cleared without them in the first place.

What is the argument here, that it's too hard and you'd like it to be easier? You think the content is badly designed? Which is it?

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Personally, I’d say the argument is that there is a severe lack of feedback provided by the game when it comes to mistakes and what went wrong during a pull, and some raiders enjoy having a tool that outlines all of these so that they can strive to rectify them and not repeat them. You certainly don’t need the extra feedback since you can just sort to ok’ trial and error and bash your head against the mechanic for a while—but I fail to see how it equates to cheating. It’s the same as saying “well you don’t need a calculator to solve this math problem, you can just do it the long and written-out way”! Neither is cheating: one is just more streamlined and provides faster results. I highly doubt anyone wants to sit down with a pen and paper and manually calculate damage in this game; so you don’t really have any high-ground to stand on arguing against a vanilla parser. It’s just a calculator.

Reviewing and reflecting on feedback insinuates a desire for personal growth.

I draw the line at some add-ons that hack in invisible AOE indicators to be visible and anything they automates gameplay (botting scripts), but something like a vanilla parser used with FFLogs or XIVAnalysis to analyze mistakes and promote progression isn’t cheating. It’s simply streamlined problem solving.


At the end of the day, you have expressed explicitly that you have no interest in the high-end. So my question to you is why do you care so much that you have been on this crusade for the past 24+ hours? This is content that you don’t participate in, have no plans to participate in, and has zero effect on you. So why do you care? Are you trying to insinuate/prove that console players are better than PC ones? How does that amount to anything productive to incite another “us versus them” war?

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

Most of the smug "plugins are CHEATING" in this forum clearly comes from people who don't know what they do, don't care, and prefer feeling like superior TOS-justicars on their high horses over reading up on what plugins actually do and asking for some of the *incredibly* useful feature ideas you can find there.

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XIV community in a shellnut

this was back in 2.0 Interview


https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/10...-Transcription

and audio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg-1QR8CpTU&t=309s

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

So why do you?

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If console players had access to the same addons they'd use them too you ass. You get what you paid for, how much did you spend on your console? Wanna know what I spent on my PC? 1600 euro, and that was years ago. And that's not accounting for changing the GPU recently. Don't use the fact that you game on a limited machine as a thin excuse for making shit threads like these, its honestly disgraceful and makes you look worse than anybody you're trying to jab at.